The 40 Over 40 Blueprint For Midlife Energy with Kyle Hulsebus

Most people treat health like a scoreboard: no pain, no problem. But what if that’s exactly why so many of us hit midlife feeling stuck, tired, and quietly unfulfilled even when nothing looks “wrong”? We sit down with Dr. Kyle Hulsebus, a third-generation chiropractor and health and human potential specialist, to make a bigger definition of wellness feel usable. His anchor idea is simple and challenging: health means wholeness, not just symptom control.

We talk about why the 40s and 50s can trigger a deep reassessment of purpose, relationships, work, and identity and why blaming everything on aging or hormones misses the real point. Kyle shares how he looks for root causes, not just targets, including a powerful story where a recurring physical problem didn’t truly resolve until a hard conversation happened in real life. The thread running through it all is alignment: how your nervous system, your habits, and your environment work together to either support healing or keep you stuck in the same loop.

Kyle also breaks down his 40 Over 40 program, a set of 40 short, practical daily actions designed to restore engagement, direction, and mission after 40. Some are classic longevity habits like breathing, walking, and movement. Others are deliberately unexpected “pattern breakers” like playing games and people watching without judgment, meant to widen your sense of possibility and loosen rigid stories about who you are allowed to be. If you’re searching for holistic health after 40, midlife wellness strategies, chiropractic philosophy, or simple habits for longevity, you’ll come away with multiple next steps you can try today.

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Welcome And Guest Introduction

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Well, hello, and welcome to the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, and today we've got a very special guest. His name is Dr. Kyle Holsebus. And Dr. Holsebus is a third generation chiropractor and health and human potential specialist. And he focuses on health not being the absence of symptoms. It's a state of internal wellness. And really frankly, I I want to jump into this conversation. We have only so much time to talk, and and this is huge. You created a program called The 40 over 40, a framework of 40 practical daily actions designed to re restore engagement, direction, and mission to the midlife stage. Well, I just turned 60, so I'm well over your 40 line, but I I I see a lot of these things that you mentioned in your bio and and some of the stuff that I was looking at as really relevant. Kyle, welcome to the show. How are you doing today?

SPEAKER_00 1:02

I'm fantastic, Joe. Thanks for having me, and thanks for giving me the opportunity to share about the 40 over 40.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Absolutely, absolutely. You look a little young to be talking about us old guys, but

A Family Story Of Chiropractic

SPEAKER_01 1:12

you know, that's great. That means that means uh for future generations, hopefully we're working on these things that most of us for generations have just dealt with. Let's jump into real quickly before we get into your program and the work you're doing. How did you get into this? Like, when did you decide to work on this this sort of specialty? I know you're a chiropractor, so you've been in the health world for a while.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

Yeah, no doubt. I mean, my my grandfather started to practice in 1949. Wow. And and we were, you know, I would I would even say that's one way I got into it, not so much just because of bloodline and family, but you gotta understand back then people weren't going to the chiropractor for back pain. They were kind of going because they go, nothing else helps us with our problems. Um my grandmother, the the story that I'm told is you know, they got he came back from the war, World War II, uh, they met, they got married. She was having just constant headaches, digestive problems. The best place to be was Chicago at the time. They said, too bad. We got nothing. He was from Iowa. They stopped in Davenport, Iowa, which is where Palmer's school of chiropractic was at the time. And I, you know, nobody really knows, you know, from there, but but since he had the first radio station west of the Mississippi, I and Ronald Reagan was a sports broadcaster. Okay. I I I always imagined like that they heard some type of thing or they saw some type of advertisement or heard an advertisement said, you know, if you suffer from this or digestion or headaches, you know, come to Dr. Palmer's because he he was a follower of uh P. T. Bardum too. So he knew a little bit about hawking himself.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

And uh, you know, they got in, and it was something years later, you know, I used to have conversations with my grandmother before she passed, and she'd start complaining, and then she'd stop. She goes, you know, I really don't have a right to complain. I haven't had a headache or problem like that in you know, since 1946. Wow. So when I saw that, and then she also had trouble conceiving, and as a side effect of the adjustments, she was able to conceive children too. So, you know, coming into a you know, we look at these things where they're like, Well, but you didn't have you know, you know, you didn't have pain, you didn't have this type of stuff. And you go, Yeah, but symptoms are are are life.

SPEAKER_01 3:25

Right.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

And so my grandfather was very much a philosopher in that regard and a and a sort of a pioneer from that age. My father, who's the youngest of three boys and the chiropractor, all all of them were chiropractors, he's he's one of the greatest philosophers of the bunch. And so I was kind of raised by a philosopher and a chiropractor, and and I I've had this viewpoint that I brought in, and I didn't I took the scenic route to get there. So I've been a freelance writer, I still do writing, I've done National Novel Writers Month, I've completed it multiple times. I've not published novels, but I I love to write them. Okay, um, I have a degree in theater, I've been an actor, I have English literature, I've studied you know multiple philosophies. Yeah, I mean, I go through, I I study all the great stories. In fact, just yesterday I finished reading the fourth volume of uh the the mythological series by Joseph Campbell, where he he summarized all mythology and and seeing those stories and how they've affected, and I can trace back through my life how much that's kind of been there. So we get into this topic where we're looking at sort of health as we age, and I and I the first thing I looked at is I go, Well, everybody talks

Redefining Health As Wholeness

SPEAKER_00 4:36

about you know, Jack Lelane was a big chiropractic, you know, believer and and lover of chiropractic as well as everything else, right? And you know, but and it's always you know, it's exercise and it's diet, and it's you know, minimize calories, and and that's great. And everybody knows, and you know, you you probably are wise not to smoke, you're probably wise not to be eating red meat and all this. Great, you know, everybody knows that, but you know, that that's you know, we're not necessarily symptomatic from it. I mean, societally we look and go, Yeah, you got all this.

SPEAKER_01 5:08

Right, or you may not even notice the symptoms, you know, we notice things as normal because that's all we know.

SPEAKER_00 5:13

And then that's the thing, you know. I mean, I've had people come into my office where, well, my legs always felt that way. Yeah, and I go, for 40 years, because you know, it's not right. And then, you know, we we take them through this care plan, and I go, I I didn't think I could ever, you know, walk that way. And I I go, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 5:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

You know, you and I were chatting that, you know, you've been through some pretty significant health challenges.

SPEAKER_01 5:35

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

And you know, we we take care of people through all that, right? Not not not because I'm trying to cure you of a problem, but I'm trying to get your body to work as highly efficient as possible.

SPEAKER_01 5:46

Because and then, you know, yeah, we're all headbone, it's connected to the neck bone.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

So I I get all these different things, and then as we studied human behavior and and I start to look at the potential of everything because of mythology and and and the people I'm around, I started to look and I go, This this health, health is not relegated because it's a state of wholeness, it's not relegated to physicality. It's it's your it's your relationships with everybody.

SPEAKER_01 6:14

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

It's your it's your it's your it's your spirituality, whether whether you have one or not. It's your learning, it's your job, it's your money, it's it's it's all these different aspects. So when I started to look at this, I go, and 40 was just kind of arbitrary because we were over 40.

SPEAKER_01 6:31

Right.

SPEAKER_00 6:32

And my friend and I are talking, he goes, Well, Forbes is a 30 under 30. How about you have the 40 over 40? And instead of people, it'll be what can you do? What can you simply do that's that's going to start adding to to this sort of you know integral health, yeah, yeah, whole being in your life after 40? What are simple things? And they're and not all 40 or for everybody, right? That's that was the whole point.

SPEAKER_01 6:56

Yeah, yeah, for sure. I love what you're saying. This is you're spot on, is all I can say.

SPEAKER_00 7:02

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

As we do 60 over 60, but you know, you could just keep going.

SPEAKER_00 7:07

Well, that's I got well, then that's so my preface is I say you don't have to be 40 to for these to be useful. You could be 20 years old.

SPEAKER_01 7:13

100%.

SPEAKER_00 7:14

And but but we found that 40-year-old you when you hit about that point, the the reason that 40 wasn't just because of where where me and and my you know group was at the time, it was more that what's the average age of people that come into my office, not to just get out of pain, but to see how healthy they can get. Okay, you know what? The on average they're in their 40s and early 50s. And and so we started to look at, you know, why, why, yeah, what is it? And it's and it's sort of that you you're almost at that point in life where you have some stability to say, I now want to go to the next level. People call it right, people call it the midlife crisis, right? But really, it's more like, all right, we we've kind of had this direction and now we're here and we fought and fought and fought and fought, and we sort of have success. Now what do we now what do we do?

SPEAKER_01 8:02

Yeah, yeah. And and this is the second Saturn return, you know. You like exactly it's like, oh wow, I gotta start a new chapter. Let's what's it gonna look like?

SPEAKER_00 8:12

Exactly. I mean that that's really it, but uh it you can just as easily be in your 60s. When I was first, you know, doing the beta for the program and and put all that out. One of my one of my professors from college actually, she followed it and and she goes, Great, I did everything you said, it's been fantastic. When are you gonna do the 80 over 80? Because she's in her 80s, and I said, Give me 40 years, but yeah, there you go. Just for her, just for fun, I went and I put together 80 individu, you know, or not 80 people, but I put a bunch of individuals together that I said in their 80s, this is when they took off.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

I love it. I mean, like you're talking about with this mythological, you know, element of potential, as a survivor of some horrific things. I know you can do anything, like your body, your mind, your spirit, if you align it and you have a will, there's nothing nothing you can't do.

SPEAKER_00 9:06

It's it's that great advice from Back to the Future, way back, right? Yeah, if you put your mind to it, you can accomplish it. So true.

SPEAKER_01 9:14

I mean it's and it it's it's not hyperbole. I mean, it is actually true, you know. So I love that. So let's um let's let's talk about this. What you know you mentioned, you know, when when men especially hit 40, you know, there's some well, women too. Women have a hormonal change somewhere in that range, men generally do, and and you know, there's a diminishing of essential hormones that kind of are our youth, our fountain of youth. And then there's this sort of fallout that comes from that, and it can be can be mental, it can be emotional, you know, you start feeling a little lousy and all of a sudden, or you don't have quite what you had before, and then it can get to you in a certain way, and then start a you know, sort of a negative

Midlife Myths Purpose And Hormones

SPEAKER_01 10:02

cascade. So tell me a little bit about you know what how you deal with all that.

SPEAKER_00 10:08

Well, here's here's so uh here's the interesting thing when when you really get into the science of it, the hormonal changes in men happen in their mid-sixties, okay, on average. But but the the myth is that it's like the 40s, yeah. Yeah, and and but we start to see all the metabolism in that on on the average. But you if you keep up with your health, right? You know, it's just kind of the hard thing. It's where I'm you know, that's why my my one friend didn't want to contribute to it because he goes, You should be doing this for people in their teens and twenties. I go, Yeah, but they won't listen. Right. I go, I wouldn't have. I would have said, Yeah, right, old man. Get out of here. Exactly. I I always tell people I get I'm like Socrates, you know, I get stupider as I age.

SPEAKER_01 10:49

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 10:50

So because I have to keep studying more.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

Right.

SPEAKER_00 10:53

But it was, you know, you you look at that, and then and then women, you know, that the at least may maybe I'm incorrect, but they uh when were from what I was reading, I remember the average age of menopause was 53. So yeah, I mean, yeah, but it but it's more that you know, like if you start at 18, 20 years old, you know, you get out of college or you go right into the trades or right into you know, whatever job or whatever you're gonna do. You know, it is if you get married right away and you have kids right away, by the time you're 40, the kids are out, right? You you you sort of put this life together, like I'm gonna go to work, I'm going to earn my paycheck, we're gonna raise the kids, I'm gonna have the wife, and then you hit 40 and you're like, okay, we did all that.

SPEAKER_01 11:34

Yeah, your why kind of changes a little.

SPEAKER_00 11:36

Well, symptoms show up in our lives, not just physically, but you you know, suddenly you're having like you know, weird fights with your with your partner you didn't have, or you know, maybe your parents finally passed away, and suddenly you've got siblings stuff going on, or you're you're at a point in your job where you're going. Is this it? Like, am I gonna spend the next 30 years doing the same thing still? So I'm I'm in a big factory town, so I I I talk to a lot of guys on the on the plan. And yeah, but but you kind of hit and and even even spiritually, people are like you know, they they start to question their their faith, whichever faith they're in.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

And and you and you hit a lot of people that just kind of go, well, what you know, what are we supposed to do? Like, like we hit this, and and the the biggest thing I get from people sometimes is well, but it's too late. I should have started that when I was in my 20s. And I go, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

Never too late.

SPEAKER_00 12:32

I find that beautiful quote from Carl Jung, which I've since had expanded when I found it in Joseph Campbell's creative mythology. But Jung said life really does begin at 40. Before that, it's just research.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

And when you really look back and you go, my God.

SPEAKER_01 12:49

You can say the same about 50 and 60 and 70.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

Yeah, I mean, the the knowledge. I mean, it was it was you know, Colonel Sanders famously, and it's 67 years old. And and you know, one of my favorites that that I have on my list of of inspiring people was Grandma Moses, there you go. Who woke up to her painting ability in what her 80s?

SPEAKER_01 13:07

Something like that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:08

And and started to paint, and she has some of the most world-famous paintings out there, never painted before. I mean, just I I love watching America's Got Talent because you'll have these people that come out and they're in their 50s and 60s going, I've been waiting my whole life.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

I love it, yeah. No, absolutely. And as you get older, you become aware of things older people are doing as well.

SPEAKER_00 13:32

No doubt.

SPEAKER_01 13:33

Your mind, your your attention shifts, you know, it's like you get a red car and all of a sudden you start seeing all the red cars. You you hit 60, and all of a sudden you start noticing what all the 60-year-olds are doing.

SPEAKER_00 13:48

And you know, but but we see like like you know, when you told me about some of your health challenges, I go, yeah, I see that show up in some people. And and some of it comes because your brain is designed to harness all these cells and and all the structure of your body and make it there to achieve your objectives because it's it's a it's a tello-seeking organism, it's to find the end in mind, it's to find your purpose. And and if you feel you're up, but but at the same time, you go, Well, you why did your body decide it needed to make that adaptation to go forward?

SPEAKER_01 14:24

You know, what yeah, what was that about, right?

SPEAKER_00 14:26

What what challenges did it feel you needed to go through?

SPEAKER_01 14:29

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:30

And and as you say, and you you know, I haven't I haven't been through anything quite like you, but I've had some pretty pretty heavy illnesses in my life. Yeah, you come out of something like that, you go, Man, the sun's beautiful today. Oh all the food smells great.

SPEAKER_01 14:44

Every day is my birthday.

SPEAKER_00 14:46

It's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

So I I think that the those are things that unfortunately serious challenges tend to bring out. Every once in a while you find somebody with a sunny disposition that just gets it, but most of the time, you know, as as a result of overcoming something or or you know, losing something, you get an awareness of what was already there all the time. Right. Or you might get a gift, you know, like like through my challenge, I became aware that well, I can help people in a certain way. That's a big part of what this podcast is about. And I can empathize with a whole group of people I never understood before. Sometimes you you wake up to a new tool like that. When you you now you're dealing with people in a like a consulting treating a number of different levels,

Root Causes And A Powerful Ear Story

SPEAKER_01 15:40

right? It's not just no doubt. Yeah. Are you still are you still practicing as a chiropractor?

SPEAKER_00 15:44

Yeah, I'm a full-time practitioner in practice. I my my brother's there, associate doctor, my wife, my dad.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

Wow. So you got all the people.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

We're grading more in. I've got students going through school right now.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

Nice. Nice.

SPEAKER_00 15:57

Yeah, I mean, we're we're my cousins across town, my other cousin and her husband are in a different town. I mean, we're we're still going. My my two uncles for the most part are retired. Oh, that's fantastic. Yeah, we're we're very active, so I certainly consult with people there very much as a doctor, very much as you know, here's the state of your health, here's things you can do. What's different with me in particular with my wife and I in the practice is we will also you know, her more than me, sit down and consult and go, what's going on in your life? Uh-huh. Why why does this keep recurring? Like we're everything is going right, but your symptom never stops. It's not your body, it's it's your life.

SPEAKER_01 16:40

I think doctors you know, and going through meeting with a whole lot of doctors recently. I think that doctors are are fixated on symptoms and on on certain targets, and and almost never do I hear anybody talking about a root cause and and making an adjustment that might cause that root cause to change. It sounds like you guys are going after that.

SPEAKER_00 17:05

Well, that's the foundation of chiropractic philosophy, is that that what Didi Palmer or Dr. Didi Palmer was trying to do is he was trying to find the cause of all disease in mankind.

SPEAKER_01 17:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

And he found it either directly or indirectly through the spinal column. Now, I find that to be true and not true.

SPEAKER_01 17:20

Right.

SPEAKER_00 17:20

Because I I find it to be a little more dynamic than that in your life. But you know, if you want a great example, I had a lady, the lovely lady, she kept having a recurrent problem in one ear. And it, you know, I'd say, well, this is what you got to do. And you we get her adjusted, we take her through a care plan. She always responded great. The ear got better after, you know, only a few days. And three months later, she came back and she's going, I don't know what I've been doing. You know, maybe I was swimming, or maybe the water got caught in my ear in the shower. I go, it's amazing that only one ear and both went in the shower, type of thing. But the the there's a lot of sarcasm in chiropractic. The uh but but you know, this went on this went on three times, and I finally sat her down and I go, What's going on? Right. She goes, What do you mean? I go, and and I knew details of her life. She'd she'd shared because I always ask, How's your family house? So I I always got little things. And and I said, You know how you told me that you know, with this one family member that you really weren't worried about it? She goes, Yeah. I said, Quit lying to yourself. There's something you just do not want to hear, isn't there? Because she'd lose her hearing. That's how swollen her ear would get.

SPEAKER_01 18:27

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

She couldn't hear out of that ear. And that was the ear she used her phone with. And I go, What do you not want to hear so bad that you keep blocking it out? And she went, Wow. So she went and she I said, You gotta go figure that out. Or we're just gonna keep doing this every three months. She came back to me two weeks later. She said, I made a phone call and I had a conversation, and I admitted that I was a lot more worried than than I'd been putting off. And the the family member, the relative, said, Why don't you keep going to that doctor? He sounds like he's on to something. And so I I she hadn't had the ear problem since. It's been it's been quite a quite a length of time, I think, since she's had that. But that there was there was something in there. It wasn't just you know what we'd call a spinal subluxation in chiropractic. I said there was a subluxation between the ears. And somewhere in there we had to look at your life because because health means a state of wholeness. Uh integrity actually means to be in wholeness.

SPEAKER_01 19:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:27

So you know, there's different types of adjustments to us.

SPEAKER_01 19:32

No, absolutely. I I I think that that that action that you took is something that I wish actually, I've had a number of doctors as guests on this show that seem to follow that. So there are people out there doing what you're doing. Not nearly enough, but but it's it is happening. There are some good doctors, you know. It's funny, it's there are lots of people in the you know, whatever wellness world that are so against medicine, you know, and they're like, well, doctors this and doctors that it's like, no, there's some really amazing people out there that are actually really helping people.

SPEAKER_00 20:07

And all the healthcare professions are there.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

It is for sure. So you've got yourself labeled as a health and human potential specialist. How does that translate?

SPEAKER_00 20:20

It would translate from chiropractic to is that what you're asking?

SPEAKER_01 20:26

Well, I'm guessing, I mean, I as it seems like what you're describing, chiropractic could it could be a synonym for chiropractic, I suppose.

SPEAKER_00 20:37

In in a sense, it's a little more chiropractic's sort of the springboard as the foundation. Like I had the background there. Getting the chiropractic degree kind of opened me up to to having so much more. But then I've I've kind of sprung from there into more things. When when I I you know, so health, I I look at health as a state of wholeness, but that again, like I said earlier, uh I I recognize seven areas of life, right? And and and I got that from a mentor, and and I liked it, so that's that's why I keep it that way. But so I'll define seven areas of life, and

Human Potential Across Seven Life Areas

SPEAKER_00 21:11

each one has has their wholeness, right? And then all of them together make you whole and integral. And then human potential, I I call myself a human potential specialist because I sit and I study the potential of humanity of life, yeah. And and and I specialize in that. Yeah, and I'm not and I'm not just you know, I've been I've been on many different shows, I've been many different podcasts, I speak, I do videos. Obviously, I've got my 40 over 40 that I've put together, which has been a conglomeration of some of that. But at the same time, you know, we go we go and speak and console with corporations and we talk to ports because a corporation is just a state of being a body. And and and we do that. We do one on one stuff with people in order to help get them back in alignment. We do values work with kids to to help. Help you know my wife and I to do these workshops and that to get people in ground. So we're we're always sitting there going, what's the potential? And how can we get out of our way and allow you to express that?

SPEAKER_01 22:11

Nice. So your 40 over 40 program, I mean, that's a little beyond what normally I you go into a chiropractor. I've only been to a chiropractor, I think, once many years ago, but you know, you get might get a a scan, you might get an x-ray, you might get some sort of evaluation where certainly you talk to the guy, he'll try to figure out what it is, why you're there, and then look you over, scan you in some way, determine okay, well, here's where I see the problem, and then go for through some sort of course of action. Typically, it's an ongoing thing. The 40 over 40 program seems like in an orbit outside of that sort of basic chiropractic. So I'd like to learn a little more about like what you're doing with that and how where where do you see it going and and how is it working?

SPEAKER_00 23:10

Wonderful feedback when we first created it. And it's it's and I and I made it as a series of videos. They're all they're all short, they're free. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

So it's a program that you have that can is accessible.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

You yeah, you're gonna be able to buy it, you're gonna be able to get on there, and you'll have access to these videos. And people can go, you you know, I it at first it was going to be, well, should I make you just consume it one by one? I go, you know, if I had a book and it had 40 chapters, you'd read which chapter was relevant to you at the time. Now, I encourage everybody do them all. They're five-minute videos, four to six minutes. Okay, they I wanted to keep them short because I wanted to make it. I I know people have busy lives, especially when they get into their 40s and they're like, How how am I going to get the time to do this? And my objective when I give you 40 different ways to maximize health and longevity after 40 years of age, it's how simple can I make it for you? And then and then there's certainly here's resources if you want them to go more into if you want to deep dive, you you are free to deep dive. I'm here to get you started on a path. I'm here to help you take the first two or three steps and

How The 40 Over 40 Works

SPEAKER_00 24:22

say, go run. If it's not for you, great. We have another path. I have 40 paths. And and and it and it goes from the physical to the spiritual to the to the learning, to the to your job, to your life, to your relationships, to to to your leadership and and and your social life, to your money, to your finances, all these different aspects.

SPEAKER_01 24:44

Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

And so it and and the objective with it is not so much, it's not a program, it's not a day-by-day habit changer. It's take these. My I encourage more people, get the ones that seem the weirdest and the most unusual and go listen to those first. Okay. They go, why the hell would I do that? Yeah, yeah. My my favorite people ask, they go, Why would you recommend people go people watching? Okay. And I go, because if you get out into society and you sit down without judgment and watch people and see the vast, wide variety of humanity and and everything around you, and realize that you're just as weird as everybody else.

SPEAKER_01 25:25

Right.

SPEAKER_00 25:26

There, there's a lot of free and health in that. Suddenly, instead of saying, I must rigidly be in this place, you can go, well, hell, all these people are doing all sorts of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 25:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

What what's stopping me? That's why I think stuff like that is is wildly important. That's you know, it's go play games.

SPEAKER_01 25:43

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 25:43

Who cares if it's go fish?

SPEAKER_01 25:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:45

No, go play games, get get go B12 again. But it's also breathe, it's also walk, it's exercise. Yeah, it's reevaluate your beliefs. It's it's let's let's go through. I have I had a spiritual master that gave me advice. I passed that advice on.

SPEAKER_01 26:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:01

You know, just things that that sort of inspired me. And the and the idea is this to get you out of your pattern, which is what chiropractic does. We adjust you over time to change your brain's pattern. I'm trying to give you tools to break your own pattern so you s you can start to see your potential and stop seeing a limitation.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

I love it. I love it. So when is this going to be available for public consumption and where?

SPEAKER_00 26:26

The best place you can find it is 40over40.com. Oh, it is available for 40 over 40.com. The uh it, you know, depending on when this airs, the the ability to buy it might not be there because I got technical stuff going on. Okay, but I would tell everybody this if you go to 40over40gift.com, 40 over 40gift.com, you can get on there and and we'll give you a little free gift. It's seven, seven signs you're already live, you know, you're you're getting a little bit too far off your purpose.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

Yeah, and you can get on, you can download that, and that's also going to make sure you're notified that as soon as it's live, you'll be able to get in there. And we'll give that to everybody. Plus, you get some some real cool little tips and tools you can use right away. And odds are I'm going to throw an extra bonus in there just to inspire people, anyhow.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

I love it. And what is what's the price point going to be on this thing when it does come out?

SPEAKER_00 27:19

$40.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

Perfect.

SPEAKER_00 27:21

But I'll tell you what, if you're on the list ahead of time, we might just have to discount that.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

All right. I love that. I love that. So it looks like we we we scheduled this just at a beautiful time. And I'd I'd love to come back after it's been running for a little while and and and hear about you know the the response to it. But I'd like to talk about, you know, how long is you've been running your your practice and and in this line for a good long while? There's always, you know, you've likely just like people watching, there's so many different kinds of people with so many different kinds of problems, but my goodness. There's always a handful of of cases that stand out as being really I'm obviously the lady with the ear issue was was definitely a remarkable story. Is there another story you could share with us that was just remarkable about how somebody came with a problem and you were able to have a substantial result, but maybe in a way that wasn't expected?

SPEAKER_00 28:25

Well, I thought you in Yeah, then I've got I got several

Remarkable Patient Turnarounds And Mindset

SPEAKER_00 28:30

stories I could share about the kids we take care of today that weren't supposed to be born because their mothers weren't supposed to be able to conceive. Yeah, and and we and we've got that in numerous ways. In fact, I'm I'm related to three men that weren't supposed to be here. But uh so and and and we've we've taken care of that. I mean, there there was a lady that saw my grandfather for infertility in 1973. She still comes in today, she's retired. She she went in because she couldn't have kids. And uh, we take care of her grandchildren today. And so, yeah, I mean, this and and that's just that that's just adjusting, but there's uh in because of the philosophical approach I think we have specifically in our practice, as many chiropractors do, but we're we're gonna look at it and go, We're not here to solve your problem, we're not here to cure you, we're here to remove interference and allow the body to express health at its highest level. The most inspiring, impactful thing I ever saw, it wasn't just kind of doing a mental adjustment, but probably probably floored me. I was I was six months into being a new doctor in a practice, and even though I'd been raised in it, you you can keep being just kind of dumbfounded. A lady came walking in, she was an older lady and she had a limp.

SPEAKER_01 29:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

And I remember I wasn't very busy because I was new, so I went up to say hi to her when she came in and say, I'm Dr. Kyle, and you know, all that. And and there's a photo of my grandfather with all his achievements hanging up over the front desk when you check in. There were a few people waiting to see the other two doctors. And while she's waiting for her paperwork, she takes her cane and she points, she goes, You know this man. I said, I'm fairly familiar with him. She goes, He cured my polio in 1957. Wow, she goes, That's why I have the limp. My legs started to grow again after seeing this man. I went, Wow. And I mean the whole place went quiet.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

Yeah, I'll bet.

SPEAKER_00 30:24

And then she goes, and then I had to go see him again in the 1960s because I couldn't have kids.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

Wow, Dr.

SPEAKER_00 30:29

Dr. Bob helped me have kids three times.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

And and I just I and six months into practice, six months being licensed, and even seeing some of the amazing things I'd seen in school and and had heard about and known about, to actually encounter someone that just said, Yeah, I I saw this man for this. Yeah, and here I am today. And I go, that's human potential.

SPEAKER_01 30:53

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

No, that's that's you know, I I had one of my classmates is a student, she was taking care of a guy with leukemia.

SPEAKER_01 31:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 31:01

And I I think uh I'll probably misquote it, but she he first came in, brought in in a wheelchair, helped placed on the table, and she would she could only do so much adjusting because he was frail. Right. And this was like we have a whole year, you know, the beginning of our last year of internship. She was doing this, and then you know, six weeks later or so, he's wheeling himself in. He can get out of the wheelchair onto the table. And then a little bit later, he's coming in on a walker. Then he's walking in with a cane. By the time we graduated, he was living on his own again, and he drove his nephew in to see her. Holy cow! Wow. But here's the catch he still had leukemia. Okay, but he had his life back.

SPEAKER_01 31:48

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 31:49

So the the reason I I and those are physical stories, but at the same time, there had to be a mental change in there for that to happen, because he could as easily said nothing's ever really going to help.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

Right.

SPEAKER_00 32:03

But somewhere in there to say, we're just gonna remove interference and allow your body to express. So these 40 things are about removing interference in what we think is gonna stand in the way of our life, and it's just sometimes it's weird stuff, but yeah, yeah, something as simple as taking three deep breaths every day will will change how you interact with everybody in life, and you're going to affect the world that way.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

Totally agree. I love it. Well, I love your passion and your awareness. These are things that you don't often find together. And and I I really see you know, you're making a difference in the world. Where do you see your practice going? Like you've got already a lot of components in place. So you are you what what do you see the future of what you're doing?

SPEAKER_00 32:51

Well, for me, me and my wife were we will end up stepping back a little bit from being very active in practice. I I don't ever see myself really stopping putting my hands on people. There's a very healing thing in that, but probably not being as constant in there because uh one way I one way I can take people is is I can I I feel that since the word doctor comes from the Latin dochere, meaning to teach, and 90% of what I do is to educate and teach people. The other 10% is putting hands on people for the most part. And so we do way more education than probably your average. We're gonna end up doing a lot more of that. And and I also because I miss performing in the theater, I I also do some voice work on the side too. So yeah, you know, and I I want to see,

The Future Teaching And Using Story

SPEAKER_00 33:40

yeah, every every and you know why that's where where can I take that? Because that's the that's the type of stuff where where we go through story, through, through that medium of entertainment, I suppose, we can also bring health. And it's that's why I'm on here, you know, speaking with you today, Joe. It's it's how how can I utilize my voice and my knowledge just to bring that to everybody else? Because one little thing you can do today is going to affect so much more forever.

SPEAKER_01 34:09

100%. I love it. Well, is there you know, we talked about a lot of things as I suspected. We barely got into some things that we could go really deep in, but uh is there one central thought you'd like to leave our listeners with?

SPEAKER_00 34:24

Yes, I want everybody to understand the old definition of health, which we didn't even really talk about. It's an unchanged word from old English. It goes back thousand 1500 years. Health, and it literally means the word itself is defined as state of or condition of wholeness, and so when you think of health, don't think of sickness and disease, right? Because ease and disease are the cycles of health, all right. But health is going to go through ups and downs, that's part of life. So don't don't think just because you're not feeling it, that you're not healthy, you're probably just going through some stuff, and that's part of your body helping you adapt as well. So I want everybody to to be able to sit and think on that and kind of contemplate.

SPEAKER_01 35:13

I couldn't agree more. That's actually a a lesson that doesn't come up often, but it's a great one. I I I'm living proof. No doubt, no doubt. Excellent. Well, Kyle, it's been an absolute pleasure. Why

The Original Meaning Of Health

SPEAKER_01 35:25

don't you give us the website again so people can and any other contact information that you have so people can find you?

SPEAKER_00 35:31

Beautiful. I'm going to tell everybody first go to 40 over 40 gift.com. Get in there, we'll get you a free gift. The seven seven signs of your living way out of alignment. And and when you will you'll be able to find the the program itself, 40over40.com. That's 40 over 40.com. You can also find some some inspiring videos and some thoughts that I have on my YouTube station. That's YouTube. That's at dr. Kyle Holsebus for YouTube, and and that's available as well.

SPEAKER_01 36:00

Beautiful. Well, it's been an absolute pleasure. I I didn't know what to expect walking into this, but I'm I'm I'm very pleased, and I think our listeners are going to get a lot from what you have to offer. You're making a difference in the world. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

Joe, it's been very inspiring to be able to share health and human potential on your show. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 36:19

I love it. Well, this has been another episode of the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, and I want to thank all of our listeners who made this show possible, and we will see you next time.