Why A Nervous System Reset Beats A One Size Diagnosis with Miriam Putnam

A mental health “diagnosis” can be subjective, but the consequences are real and sometimes irreversible. We talk with Miriam Putnam, a holistic mental health advocate, board-certified wellness coach, and freedom from stress counselor, about what she saw firsthand inside a system that often defaults to labels and pharmaceuticals even when people are begging for deeper answers. If you’ve ever wondered why the standard path can feel like trial-and-error, you’ll relate to this conversation.

We get specific about what holistic mental health can mean in practice: looking at the body before assuming the mind is broken. We discuss comprehensive blood tests, vitamin and mineral status, vitamin D, hormones, liver stress, hidden infections, sleep quality, hydration, and inflammation and how these can drive anxiety, low mood, brain fog, and burnout. We also share why patient advocacy matters, how to push for better care, and why you always have the right to choose a different provider when something doesn’t feel right.

From there, Miriam explains her “reset and rise” work with entrepreneurs and professionals who hit a wall after loss, relationship rupture, business pressure, or relentless stress loops. We talk about the “monkey brain,” long-term change versus short-lived fixes, and what it takes to rebuild clarity, peace of mind, and forward motion. If this resonates, subscribe, share this with a friend who’s overwhelmed, and leave a review with the biggest question you want answered next.

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Meet Miriam Putnam

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Well, hello, and welcome to the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grombine. And today I've got a very special guest. Her name's Miriam Putnam, and she's a holistic mental health advocate and a board-certified wellness coach and freedom from stress counselor. And she helps individuals reconnect with themselves and find balance in a fast-paced and overwhelmed world. And I'm going to leave it at that because you've got a great background story. We've gotten started talking. I really enjoy our conversation. I want to just jump into it. Miriam, welcome to the show. How are you doing today?

SPEAKER_01 0:35

Oh, pretty good, Joe. Thank you so much for that introduction. You're such a kind soul.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

It's my pleasure. You know, I've gone through some things in life that have taught me that nothing's worth getting irritated about, and it's better to be kind. So I don't know. Not everybody that knows me would agree with my perception of myself, but I that's the way I think. I was looking through your bio, and you have got quite a background. You are related directly to Amelia Earhart.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

That is right.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Wow. Now that's quite a quite a relative to live up to there.

SPEAKER_01 1:14

Yeah, definitely. Maybe the reason why I'm, you know, grew up thinking about creating greater freedom for all of us.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

I love it. I love it. She was quite a pioneer and certainly an inspiration to everybody. Why don't you tell me a little bit about your background and and how you got into the world of mental health?

SPEAKER_01 1:36

All right. So it's quite a long story. You can cut me off or interject with questions at any point in time that you want, Joe. But um I

Losing A Mom To The System

SPEAKER_01 1:45

got to this point in time with what I'm doing now to help professionals and entrepreneurs overcome negative thoughts and stress and overwhelm, kind of like a reset and rise because of watching and experiencing the broken mental health system that we have in our country. I lost my mom to that system and went through lots of trials and tribulations with, you know, very, very expensive doctors and all sorts of hospitals and advice that was not really that great. And, you know, some doctors I did meet along the way that did help some, and learned a lot and was continuously on a search for what is this holistic mental health? Like, does it exist? How do I solve it? You know, because psychiatrists have a very big book filled with diagnoses that are given out quite regularly from doctors, the psychologists, psychiatrists. And I wanted to know like, what is this about and how do you solve it?

SPEAKER_00 2:51

Well, and psychiatrists to me remind me a lot of oncologists where they have this sort of standard of care book they work out of. And you know, if something lines up to this problem, they have this pharmaceutical solution. And holistic thinking, really, that's maybe one prong of a mini-pronged fork, but certainly not the only one. And that's why I I I'm always a little cautious when you know people talk about psychiatrists in particular because they're just seem to be so pharmaceutical-centered.

SPEAKER_01 3:27

Yes, overall, I think that that is true. There's a few of them out there that aren't on the medication side and that do operate more integratively and more naturally, but you have to really you have to really fight to find them.

SPEAKER_00 3:44

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you know, it's funny, this this show has brought out the truth about doctors in such a way that, you know, some people have this really negative perception about doctors and Western medicine, and it's all evil and pharmaceutical controls everything and all that. And yeah, there's influences and that, but within every profession, there are people that lean on the full spectrum of this. And I I've talked to some amazing doctors that care a lot, and I've also talked to some that you know work straight out of the book, and it's you know, get in line, do your thing, here's your bill, and you know, call me tomorrow.

SPEAKER_01 4:23

Yeah, and I mean, I guess Joe, if we if we take a step back and you kind of look at the medical industry like any sort of category in life, we can see that there are good individuals and then there are bad individuals. It's kind of, you know, overall, it's related to any sort of category that we can look at in life. And I mean, it's interesting that you bring that up, that many of your guests on the show might be a bit critical, I guess, of the medical industry. And I I like to remind people that I choose to help that it is up to them to choose their personal journey. It is, you know, it is our responsibility to do our own advocacy and search out answers. And, you know, if a doctor says something to you and you don't agree, it's you it's your right to say no, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 5:16

It's your obligation. Yeah, that's you're you're you're you're drumming my drum right now. You know, I I think people forget that we hire the doctors, and they're not hiring us and they're not assigned to us, we choose them. And if we don't like them, we go and choose another one, and that's it. It's really not that more complicated than that.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 5:42

Exactly. I love that point of view as the as the patient advocate. And it's important though, people like you and myself and others that advocate for others and help to guide them and whatnot. It's a lot of what we're what I do, anyways, and I'm eager to learn what you're doing, is to just show people that you have the power, you know, it's your job to figure out what you need.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

Yeah, well, right. And I'm that's one of the areas that I specialize in, just really like helping someone get on a better path for them, but self-determined. Yes, because that's the sort of counselor that I am and that I focus on a very special code at honoring the other person and their viewpoint and their direction, and not trying to, you know, bypass it or overcome their self-determinism, just sort of gentle guiding and showing options and supporting whatever a person chooses.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

I love that. I love that. So as you were exploring the mental health world, you know, you found a lot of different, found a big spectrum of solutions, different practitioners doing different things. What how did that go with you? Like, what did you end up deciding? Yeah, how did that affect you, I guess?

SPEAKER_01 7:08

Yeah, well, it was I for me personally, just because from a very young age, I was always very spiritual, was went through a sick period when I was younger, had brachet's lymphoma when I was seven, so confronted near death at a young age. And yeah, and was always, I guess, pretty in tune as an individual, as a spiritual being. And it was shocking for me to experience the currently, unfortunately, broken mental health system. Uh, just as an overall nutshell to answer your question. I was sort of the quote unquote black sheep in my family.

SPEAKER_00 7:48

Okay. I think we have that in common as well.

SPEAKER_01 7:52

Yeah, it seems like it. So I was the one going to the doctor's appointments with my mom or other family members and questioning, right? Because I really wanted to know, Joe, if if my mom is being told to take these medications that have black label box warnings, then where is the proof that they are gonna work? Right. Because it's so subjective, mental health is so subjective, it's based on how the person feels and it's based on the evaluation of the profession on the other side. Right. And so I was on a quest. I felt like I was on a quest trying to help my mom and trying to investigate and trying to see what is this all about. And I'm I would go, you know, get in a little argumentative situation sometimes because I couldn't understand how could this drug be advised when there is no test.

SPEAKER_00 8:47

Well, and not only that, but it seems that some of the the negative potential side effects of psych meds are the exact problem that they're supposed to be solving. Yeah, you know, this might help you feel better, but it also might help you feel a whole lot worse about the thing you're doing. And I'm like, wow, that's just like Russian roulette, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 9:11

Yeah, yes, it is. Russian roulette is that's a very good analogy, Joe. I like that. Yes, Russian roulette. I mean, it's a bit sad, right? Because if you think about how terrible a person must feel to play Russian roulette, then you know, I look at the industry and I think, well, I don't have a lot of empathy for it. Probably number one, because I lost my mom and I have a lot of experience with it. But it's if the industry a whole is not producing good results, then we as individuals have a responsibility to say, okay, enough is enough.

SPEAKER_00 9:53

Agreed. Agreed. And and so, you know, and you're dealing with something like with cancer or many diseases, there are clear markers that say, well, you have this or you don't have this. Yeah. And you can determine for sure that you have it or don't. With mental health issues, most of the time, like you said, it's a subjective analysis of behaviors and feelings and things like that. That you just you just don't know for sure.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

Yeah, totally. One of the things that I speak about and then help certain individuals with is that if they've had a diagnosis, obviously there's a lot of education that I have to do with somebody, but then overall it is on when is the last time you've had a comprehensive blood test? Like what do the minerals and vitamins look like in your body? What are the vitamin D levels at? Do you have any hidden bacteria? Is there a liver toxicity going on in your body? What do the hormones look like? Because I would say close to 90% of the time, a lot of mental mental illness diagnoses are actually based in the body, right? Good job.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

I like you more and more. Yeah, it's so true though.

When Mental Health Starts In The Body

SPEAKER_00 11:10

Uh you think about what makes you feel a certain way, and diet and hormones, and sleep, and stress, and inflammation, and other ailments are all of those things, you know. How many times is it just an actual physiological brain problem, you know? Yeah, I'm sure, but not many times. I bet it's not.

SPEAKER_01 11:38

Right, right. Well, we have the brain, which is the central nervous system computing machine, right? So it's controlling all of the nervous system. And like, how is the nervous system functioning? Okay, if somebody needs to have like a little bit of a reset that happens, that's gonna be with lots of different. I mean, somebody can try lots of different avenues, but like maybe a grounding pad, B1 supplement. I don't know, maybe all the B vitamins because the nervous system needs so much.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

A sleep study, yeah, you know, a hydration study. I mean, you just go on and on and on. I I so you're you're speaking with a voice that tells me you certainly spent a lot of time doing what you're doing because you're speaking with a with a wisdom that only experience gives. But what got you to go from my mom has this problem, my mom passed away with this problem. I'm exploring all this stuff. I want to be a part of it. What yeah took you to that?

SPEAKER_01 12:41

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it was a bit of a journey, obviously, and picking up little pieces as I went along and really an investigation on like how do we solve mental health, right? So I had this long experience, almost 15 years, of what doesn't work and having many family issues to go along with that. But the whole time, Joe, I was looking for someone like me, if that makes sense. Yeah, I was really looking for someone to shine the light.

SPEAKER_00 13:15

Oh, it's doing that.

SPEAKER_01 13:17

And so then what does a responsible person end up doing? Is you know, I put myself through my own personal transformation and I said, okay, that's it. I have to be that person that I was once looking for because there must be so many individuals out there that feel like me, like don't want to go the medical route, but have are having a really hard time finding solutions.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

Yeah. So, so the mental health system. I work with a number of different mental health groups on different levels with my nonprofit, and there's all kinds of different categories from counselors and facilitators and people with training, people with licenses, people with you know, MDs. There's all this. I mean, the mental health world has got so many different places you can be and where do you fit in and and and what what what does that mean?

SPEAKER_01 14:20

Well, where I really fit in is kind of on the side or above, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

Because I don't, I mean, I can solve someone's mental health issue. Like if someone's suffering with grief, loss, bipolar, I mean, even as far as schizophrenia, like it is something that I know how to solve now because of how much training I've had on spirituality, applied philosophy, health, you know, everything. I could go on and on about it, but it's not where I like to focus. Where I like to focus is I help entrepreneurs and professionals be able to rise in life by doing a reset.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

Nice.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

So that is body, mind, and soul, health, balanced, and now you're actually reaching your vision in life.

SPEAKER_00 15:17

So tell me how you were able to

Building A Reset And Rise Program

SPEAKER_00 15:20

set that target and build uh a practice around that, because that's a very special group of people that I happen to inhabit, so I like that group of people myself. Yeah, but yeah, we're we're we're a special breed. Yeah, definitely always think like other people do, and and oftentimes we have pretty strong opinions about things, and we're not always easy to help sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 15:43

Yeah, right. I get it. I know, yeah, because I'm in that group as well, so I understand. You know, a lot of us can be pretty strong, strong-willed. Right, right, exactly. Yeah, so I mean, probably it's it's just honestly a natural progression for me because I I grew up in a really nice family and you know, went traditional education route and was always looking for the proper solutions that we could afford, right? And then becoming a professional woman, I just fit into that category naturally.

SPEAKER_00 16:24

And so as an entrepreneur yourself, you you have an empathy for people's challenges, frustrations, hopes and dreams, and all of that.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

Well, yeah, I mean, because I did it myself, I mean, I know what it's like to go through hard times, pull yourself out effectively, right? Like I did it extremely effectively, and now I help others do it that are actually interested in like greater awareness, more clarity, more peace of mind by doing a reset in order to rise, like just more fulfilled happiness in life.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

So you mentioned reset many times. So do you host retreats or do you hold workshops? I mean, that seems like it's a it's a foundational key word in what you do. So, how how do you how do you get that through to people?

SPEAKER_01 17:23

Well, by doing podcasts like this with you, and I'm looking forward to doing retreats in the very near future. But currently I only offer private retreats to like individuals. Like, for instance, if you were interested in doing a program with me, we would meet in line and then we would do our course and we'd map out the vision and we'd map out a plan. And then next we would make plans to meet in person, okay, and then start doing the energy exchange that I'm extremely proficient at.

SPEAKER_00 17:56

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 17:58

So that's basically how the program works. We dissolve negative energy in the mind and replace it with positivity so that a person actually gets that feeling of being reset. So now reaching their vision is like butter.

SPEAKER_00 18:15

It's like you're you're talking about energy exchange. I work with a lot of different people in a lot of different modalities. So I have a one one woman who I'm very close to, and she she works with a a practice that she calls NSR, and it's a nervous system reset, and it's an energy work, and she'll lay you down and yeah, so this is very different than anything that has to do with Reiki. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

So the fact is that most yeah, yeah, most people believe that we're only bodies.

SPEAKER_00 18:49

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:50

And I'm like above that, I really know a lot about body health because it's the foundation, right? So we have what we're eating, nutrition, if we're exercising, and then we have sleep. So once those three things are covered, and obviously, if somebody's taking medication, I have to address that as well. Right. But then over that and above that is the health of the mind and how our habits are affecting that in order to get into doing the powerful spiritual counseling that I do.

SPEAKER_00 19:24

Nice. So you work with them on a on a lower level first, where you you address the things that are correctable, like like the diet and like the sleep and that sort of thing.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

And so and healthy habits, right? Like healthy habits as far as you know, if you're not really exercising that much or you don't really have time to exercise, how can you improve the area? Like, can you take the stairs at work? Can you do a 15-minute walk at night? Like, how can you improve the area?

SPEAKER_00 19:58

And so you start out with like a baseline and you say, Okay, we are here, and then you have what maybe is your acceptable place to be where you can begin doing the stuff you do best, and you kind of work on that until you feel that they're into that region where they're performing at a level that you can help them.

SPEAKER_01 20:18

Yeah, I mean, usually it the first the first part of the program takes about 10 to 15 hours, the next part takes about 15 hours, and the next part takes uh between 30 and 50 hours, and then somebody feels like completely brand new, renewed, reset, and good to do anything.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Wow, wow, well that seems like a that seems like a very powerful program that you have. And how long have you been doing this the way that you're doing it now?

SPEAKER_01 20:53

About 15 years. So we're just now at the stage of taking things more public. Okay, and that's why I formed the the company We Help Group.

SPEAKER_00 21:02

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 21:03

So I work with a few other individuals, but me, I'm the face of it because of, you know, been doing it a while, and then, you know, I like talking about it and I love meeting new people.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

I love that. So are you seeking to train people that do what you do to grow the program?

SPEAKER_01 21:24

Yeah, I mean, that'll be a natural progression, I think. It'll yeah, it'll be a natural progression. And I'm excited about that. I'm really excited about getting into retreats and you know, seeing seeing where we're gonna take this.

SPEAKER_00 21:39

And so uh some of this is is being done virtually, uh, some of it's being done one on one. Do you have a studio or do you go out to the outdoors? Okay, so you generally work from from your office or your studio?

SPEAKER_01 21:55

Yeah, yeah, we have a couple offices, and then what we'll do sometimes. Is the person will fly here when they're ready, or me or someone else will fly to them?

SPEAKER_00 22:07

Okay. And then how long you say it takes 15 hours? Is it all in one setting, or are you doing three hour sessions over days?

SPEAKER_01 22:18

Yeah, yeah, it's about it's about like that. Two to three hour sessions, so about five different times to meet online. And then if the if the individual chooses to go to the next part, then we will talk about next steps. Like it's not pushy, it's literally it has to be somebody's own self-determinism, right? Like if you are really interested in greater peace of mind and more clarity, and you know, not thinking about whatever stress keeps coming back in your mind because the unconscious mind can be like a loop for us sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

Oh, absolutely. The monkey brain.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's a good explanation for it, Joe. Monkey brain, right? It like it'll keep us in a loop. It'll keep us in a loop. And so this program is specifically for individuals that are ready to like, you know, stop the loop, get out of the loop, break free of it, experience what genuine freedom from stress feels like to be able to rise.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

And so in in the the years that you've been doing this, you say that there's basically like three levels to this. How many P or what percentage of people do you think like I would imagine there's some people they go through and they get that first part and they feel better. They're like, oh, I I'm okay now. I don't need any, I don't need to do any more. And then they decide, okay, that's all that's all I need. And others might go, okay, wow, I feel clear. I can see that I need to do so much more work. Or, you know, there's so many different ways the the mind can interpret a progression. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

I mean, we're all individuals, you know, and we're all on our own spiritual journey, so to speak, right? I mean, somebody may be good for one point or one part, and then they might decide they want the next part in like another six months or another year, or they may decide not ever to do it, right? To each their own.

SPEAKER_00 24:21

And so do you would you say what what is the percentage of of people that start the program that go all the way to the end?

SPEAKER_01 24:30

Uh, I'd say it's about 60.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

Okay. That's that's pretty good, actually. I would think you a lot of things like that have a huge amount of fallout when, especially when there's work involved, you know, people think there's gonna be like this magic, I'm gonna be all bitter. And when you when it's mostly you have to make the work, it's like, oh, yeah, okay. I I just go to the gym for that.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

Yeah, yeah, right. No, of course. I mean, sure. I mean, we kind of have that a little bit in our in our culture, this sort of I hate to say laziness or something. Yeah, do it for me.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Well, yeah, I mean, it's like part of the drug culture, I think. Like if we just take a drug, then everything's gonna be fine and I don't have to think about it and I don't have to worry about it.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

Exactly. Yeah, but unfortunately the procedure done and I'll be okay now.

SPEAKER_01 25:20

Yeah, yeah, exactly. But but then we have that roller coaster, you know, the roller coaster. Right. Yeah, because drugs are fine, like drugs, like you know, we take drugs, either illegal or legal drugs, and it can create a release, or you know, you can like feel better, yeah. There's yeah, for a couple days, and then whoa, now I have to take more of the drug. Right. Oh, now I have to take more of the drug. Yeah, so what I do is very, very different from that. And you're right, yeah, of course it takes work, but I'm the one doing most of the work.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

There you go. So would you say that there is a not so much a type of person, but a scenario that brings most people to you?

SPEAKER_01 26:07

Yeah, I think it's when somebody is finally gets to a point where they say that's it.

SPEAKER_00 26:13

And so as an entrepreneur, they have one or more business programs, things that they're doing, building, working on, inventing, whatever. And they've come to a place where maybe it's really successful, maybe it's too successful, maybe it's just not quite making it, whatever the issue is.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

Yeah, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

And and they come to a spot where they just can't, they feel like they're not they're not able on their own to go to that next step. And they somehow they they come upon you.

Why Entrepreneurs Hit A Wall

SPEAKER_01 26:45

Yeah, basically.

SPEAKER_00 26:47

They come knocking on your door.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

You seem like yeah, well, it's not always people that are looking for greater wealth. I I help a people that have a lot of wealth. Sure. Already it's like, you know, the amount of money is not really the deciding factor. Usually it's something like something happens where it's a bad breakup or losing somebody that they love, or you know, some business situation, legal situation, something that is like kind of hitting a wall. Like I gotta, I gotta get through this wall. That happens a lot. I mean, I would say like 30-40 percent of the time, it's somebody that's literally looking for greater awareness.

SPEAKER_00 27:31

Okay, so so some external factor has caused a big change in their life, and that it's disrupted their their flow, their norm, and that's what's messing them up, and then they gotta find a way to get through that.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

Yeah, and and I talk to a lot of people that have tried many solutions, Joe. I've tried so many things. Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm burning the candles, I'm doing the crystals, I've doing the cars, I've done the retreats, I've you know, I've done this, I've done that, and oh my gosh, yeah, not I mean it works for a little bit, but then it doesn't work, so I need something permanent.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

Right, right. No, I love that. Have you ever sat in a sweat lodge? Yeah, oh good, good, yeah. That's a wonderful tool that uh helps a lot of people find a lot of answers. That's just my own little aside. I I would like to know in the 15 years that you've been doing this, there's got to be a number of stories that were just really amazing transformations. Why don't you share a little bit about one of them?

SPEAKER_01 28:39

Yes, totally. I'm just thought about it.

SPEAKER_00 28:42

You can write about all that.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

Yeah, definitely. I mean, I'm helping somebody right now that was have like had many different surgeries and kept having issues with body health, and then we did a spiritual program, and the body health situation just went away.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

Nice, nice. And and do you ever run into a situation where like you think, oh yeah, this is just textbook, we're going along my program, everything's good, but for whatever reason, you hit a wall. No, good, I love that.

SPEAKER_01 29:19

No, definitely not, definitely not. I love that yeah, no, I mean, because I know it's just one process away from breaking through. Like I'm help, I'm I help children as well, and be able to dissolve the anxiety and lots of different things in that area, uh and you know, it can take about 15 hours to really, you know, get it to start going away. Yeah, so kids can be a little bit tougher, sure, sure, but it's very gratifying.

SPEAKER_00 29:51

I love that. Yeah, I learned a thing along the way in my journey, and that literally you can do anything, like there isn't anything we can't do. So you seem to be somebody who owns that a little bit, and so I love that. That's yeah, we all have superpowers, we all have any problem, and and for us or anybody else, and uh it seems like you've been able to harness that. So, look into the future, where do you see this program going? How does it look?

SPEAKER_01 30:24

I am really hoping that we have offices in many big cities, nice, and then we're doing big retreats around the world.

SPEAKER_00 30:32

I love it, I love it. Well, maybe one day you'll come out to our garden and we'll set up a retreat out there.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

Yeah, that sounds fantastic. It'd be so fun.

SPEAKER_00 30:39

Beautiful. Well, as I suspected, we're gonna run out of time before we run out of questions, but uh, I would love to have you come back. There's so much to talk about. Is there a thought that you would like to leave our audience with? Uh, you've got so much wisdom and so many experiences to share. But is there one thing that you'd like to leave everybody sitting here with?

SPEAKER_01 31:05

Yes, I would love to tell you, whoever's listening out there, just don't shut yourself down. When you know something to be true and you know you have to keep looking for it, believe me when I tell you the answers

Future Vision And Final Advice

SPEAKER_01 31:20

are out there. Try your best to not feel defeated and keep fighting the good fight.

SPEAKER_00 31:26

I love it. That is a beautiful message. I going through my cancer battle, that was always my my thing. It's just keep going, keep marching. You just don't yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

Like keep marching. You just gotta keep it.

SPEAKER_00 31:39

I mean, you know, it's it's but the human spirit has an innate, an amazing ability to carry on. Yeah, it's just a crazy thing. Like, no matter how bad it is, like you can always take one more step. You can always go, Well, we'll do this one more day, and we'll see what happens. And that's it, it it seems to be critical to success. Well, Miriam, I certainly would love to hear how everybody can reach you and what's what's the best way to get in touch. I know we have a lot of entrepreneurs that listen to you, and I'm certain that uh some of them are going, I gotta talk to this lady.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

Yeah, so it's very easy to get in touch with me. I have a website, MiriamPutnam.org, and somebody can reach me directly through that website.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

Beautiful. Well, it has been an enchanting conversation, and I definitely would love to have you out here and visit the gardens, meet my wife, and see the magic we've been doing. And I just love the work you're doing. Yeah, you're helping people in a in a beautiful way.

SPEAKER_01 32:42

Yeah, thank you, Joe. Enchanting conversation. That is a beautiful way to say it. Thank you so much for the enchanting conversation.

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Uh, it was my pleasure. Well, this has been another episode of the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grumbin, and I want to thank all of our listeners for making this show possible. And we will see you next time.