Love-Based Nursing with Winston Meikle

If you’ve ever felt like healthcare is all process and no humanity, this conversation snaps that illusion in half. We’re joined by Winston Meikle, a lifelong nurse who started as a home health aide at 16, spent decades in critical care and the ER, and now leads hospital teams while teaching the next generation of clinicians. Along the way, he built a bold framework he calls The Power of Love, a nursing theory rooted in one core claim: true healing accelerates when care is infused with empathy, connection, and clear intention.

We talk about what bedside nursing really looks like during open-heart recovery, why nurses carry the emotional weight most people never see, and how fear-based training can quietly erode compassion among healthcare workers. Winston lays out why love is not a sentimental feeling but a practical orientation, and why more compassion can be the antidote to burnout rather than its cause. We also get into patient advocacy, the limits of the standard of care, and the uncomfortable reality that you have to stay informed and vigilant to protect your own outcomes.

Then we zoom out to the big ideas that inspired Winston to write: repeated “too consistent to be random” moments he witnessed in clinical practice, and how concepts from quantum physics and the observer effect shaped his thinking about consciousness, thoughts, words, and healing. He also shares what he’s building next, including Mobile Lab Tech to bring diagnostics into the community and Loving Care Partners to help patients navigate a complex system.

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Welcome And Winston’s Story

SPEAKER_02 0:12

Well, hello and welcome to the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, and today we've got a very special guest. His name is Winston Meikel. And Winston has got a great story here. He's been a nurse his whole entire adult life, started at a home health aide at 16, became a licensed practical nurse at 18, spent decades at the bedside in critical care and in the ER, inspired his work, and eventually wrote The Power of Love, a nursing theory. It's rooted in phenomena he observed firsthand. True healing happens when care is infused with empathy and connection, not just protocols. And I love that. And without any further ado, Winston, welcome to the show. I I can't wait to hear about your story and about the way you're approaching healing.

Starting Nursing At Sixteen

SPEAKER_00 1:03

Thank you, Joel. Thank you for having me. It's my pleasure to be here and to be able to address you and your audience. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_02 1:10

Wonderful, wonderful. So you got started at a pretty young age. Why don't you tell us a little bit about how that happened? Most of us at 16 years old are not busy trying to help other people. How'd you fall into becoming a home health aide?

SPEAKER_00 1:28

Okay, well, my final year in high school, I had one period to attend out of the whole day. And I asked my guidance counselor, what could I do to prepare me for college with all this extra time? And uh at that time I was interested in medicine. I was considering a, you know, life as a doctor. And I told him that, and he suggested that there's a LPN program that was offered by the um the vocational school that was associated with the high school. The vocational school offered classes to high school students where we would come to school and we'd get on another bus to take us to the vocational school, spend part of the day there, and then come back to the school to finish high school curriculum.

SPEAKER_02 2:12

Wow. I wish they had those today. I don't know if they have those anymore.

SPEAKER_00 2:16

I don't know. There's still some vocational schools, but it's not quite the same model as what we had in New York at the time. The program is called BOSIS, Board of Cooperative Educational Services. It was a beautiful program. It changed my life. Because through that, I was able to start the LPN program as a high school student. And then seven months after graduating, I was able to complete the program and get my first nursing license.

SPEAKER_02 2:44

Wow. So so I mean, today nursing is a whole different world. In fact, after COVID, there's this huge shortage of nurses and all kinds of problems. Right in that league, though. You know, the people that do the most good, they just they don't get uh I I I appreciate that, Joe.

SPEAKER_00 3:22

You know, I I appreciate that sentiment greatly because I I I I share in that feeling. And you know, it's not that not that I think we're underappreciated, but not recognized for the significant role we play in society. You know, we've we're we're we're we participating, helping people to be well in so many different settings in society that you know, if we took nurses out of our society, society would collapse.

SPEAKER_02 3:45

We would fall apart in no time. People don't realize unless you've been like I just went through a year and a half of uh battling cancer, and so I I was dealing with all kinds of you know medical situations.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

And I hope you had some good nurses in your experience.

SPEAKER_02 4:01

Well, I did, and and I realized that in in one setting in uh the UC system, I very seldom saw a doctor. And so most of the time, whether I was getting you know vitals taken or getting meds or getting a an infusion or whatever it was, it was some sort of a of a nurse or a practitioner.

SPEAKER_00 4:23

Nursing personnel, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:24

Yeah, and it was not a doctor. I'd see a doctor for like two minutes.

The Nurse Shortage And COVID Reality

SPEAKER_00 4:29

Yeah, five minutes out of the day, you you'll you'll have a conversation with a doctor, and the rest of the time you spent with nurses. Yeah. The rest of the 24-hour period of the day is nursing or some ancillary part of the nursing staff, you know. So, yes. And you know what, but Joe, there's always been a shortage of nurses. And there's always been, and sure, and and COVID just exacerbated it. You know, it just made it worse, you know. But my entire career there's been talking about nursing shortage. There's always always multiple nursing positions posted in every institution that you could think of. Every place that nurses work, there's an open nurse position.

SPEAKER_02 5:07

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 5:07

Waiting to be filled.

SPEAKER_02 5:09

Wow, wow. Yeah, my sister's in RN, so she's been for for a long time. And she's works in the ER. So I know in COVID, she was she was in a crazy place, but uh crazy crazy is an understatement.

SPEAKER_00 5:22

It was otherworldly. Yeah, it was otherworldly. Uh and my 43 years of nursing, I had not seen and experienced anything remotely close to how traumatic it was and how dramatic it was with regards to the number of fatalities, the the pressure, the the um the sadness, the the remote, you know, just it was just terrible. It was the worst.

SPEAKER_02 5:47

People don't realize, I mean, everything bad comes to the ER. I mean you know, everything horrible, it's all goes there.

SPEAKER_00 5:54

And and and nurses are like firemen when when it comes to that kind of thing. You know, when everybody's running out of the burning building, firemen are running in. Yeah, when every all of the death and dying is and the the thing causing death and dying is at the facility, at the hospital, we have to go there and combat it and help people survive and thrive in that horrible condition.

unknown 6:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

But not only that, but you guys have the least glamorous side of everything. I mean, you have to do all the messy stuff and all the stuff that people don't even want to think about, and you guys gotta, you know, suck it up and go in there and get it done.

SPEAKER_00 6:35

Absolutely. You're absolutely right. You know, we know it's a double-edged sword. It's it's messy, but it's also quite rewarding. I was listening to um some doctors have a discussion the other day, and they were talking about some science that was looking at the neurological response to helping others and how it changes brainwaves. The the reward from seeing the benefit of your efforts in someone else's doing well is actually a chemical, chemical response in your body that's similar to um, you know, what you would get from taking drugs, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 7:11

Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. That's actually what this podcast is all about. We we we help people find answers and and and solutions. And I have a nonprofit called Gardens of Hope, and we bring people out to our garden and we we help them to heal. And you're right. Anytime that you affect a person in a positive way, whether you really meant to or whether you did it kind of just being who you are, and it comes back to you, woo.

SPEAKER_00 7:39

Yeah, like you said, I tell you, I say that all the time to people. Yeah, I'm I've grown addicted to that feeling. Yes. No, seriously, I have to. I get it. I have to I need it. I need to, you know, uh because my career spent a lot large portion of my career at the bedside in open heart surgery. Oh, wow. Surge recovery, where we take people directly out of the operating room, bypass the recovery room, and we take them directly out of the operating room where they are on the edge of life.

SPEAKER_02 8:10

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 8:11

You know what I mean? They're being recovered from anesthesia, and their heart was just a few minutes before in someone's hands.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 8:19

You know, and I have we have to recover them and bring them back to life and recover them and then treat them as an intensive care unit patient, bring them up to a level now where they can be brought out to the next level of care. And doing that on a day-to-day basis and taking someone from the brink of death and restoring them to wellness to the point where now they're prepared to get out of the hospital, you know, it's it's a hell of a feeling. It's I can imagine.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

Well, that's it.

SPEAKER_00 8:47

You can see someone, you see the guy leaving, you see them walking out of here. I did that. I did that. I you know, it's a feeling it's uh you can't get anywhere else. And uh and uh and I've grown used to it.

SPEAKER_02 9:00

So all of these years working, you know, in critical care and and the ER and bedside with uh, like you were saying open heart surgery patients. Where did you I mean, at one point you must have gained a little bit of a callus because you have to not get emotionally attached to all this.

SPEAKER_00 9:25

No, no.

SPEAKER_02 9:27

You you you feel it all I get emotional.

SPEAKER_00 9:29

Yeah, I get emotionally.

SPEAKER_02 9:30

Ah, you get into everyone.

Critical Care High Stakes And Heart

SPEAKER_00 9:32

All right, well, that's I do, I do. I I I don't know if that's what made me s different in some kind of a way, and in my ability to affect positive outcomes on a more regular basis when things look bleak and despair was prominent, and you we would reverse that and bring into a positive uh state of mind, positive energy, and help restore wellness through resonance. You know, I don't know. Maybe I I I would like to think that my emotional contribution was part of that. Okay. You know, I've always said to my patients and my colleagues that I have an infinitely renewable source of love. I can give it away and give it away to everyone I meet in abundance, and I'll never run out of it, and it doesn't cost me anything.

SPEAKER_02 10:23

This is true. That's a great way to look at it. I I I like that a lot. I may borrow that myself, actually.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

You know, so that's that's what's been part of what drives me. You know that I I I I do care. And and you know, when when things don't work out and you don't get the the outcomes that you desire, it hurts. And and then I'm known as the as a crier. Yeah, yeah. I will cry for my patience if I if I suffer a loss that I was uh you know I had grown attached to, you know. Um I'm not ashamed of that. You know what I mean? I I because I accept the the emotional contribution for whatever it is. It's you know, I'm always hoping for the best and I'm working towards the best, but if it doesn't work out, that that disappointment is is is real as well, you know. So I I accept that as my truth as well. So I don't, I mean, uh I am I am that guy. I'm that guy that will cheer and and and cheerlead for my patients and cry if I lose them. So that's me.

SPEAKER_02 11:25

So so how many years in total did you work at that level of nursing?

SPEAKER_00 11:30

I've been a critical care since 1990.

SPEAKER_02 11:33

Oh, and you're still actively involved with that?

SPEAKER_00 11:36

Well, now I am I am an administrator for my hospital, and uh areas that I cover is intensive care unit, the stepdown unit, the emergency department.

SPEAKER_02 11:45

Okay. So now you're overseeing the other nurses, so you're not you're not gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

I'm not in the trenches. I I jump in whenever I get it. You know what I mean? Because uh I I I I I still believe I have the skills and I like to contribute wherever I can.

SPEAKER_02 12:02

Absolutely. And and so at one point though, you got inspired to uh start writing. Like what what happened there?

SPEAKER_00 12:09

You know, Joe, I over the years, okay, let me see where it started. It started back when I was a young man, a teenager maybe, you know, when I was early in my career, I made observation of of things that didn't really make sense or wasn't explained clearly by conventional science or conventional wisdom. And it was and it started when I was trying to inspire my younger brother, who's four years behind me, and he was playing sports in high school, and I was trying to encourage him to pursue excellence in whatever he was doing. And I told him in my assessment, the people who were successful on a high level had a confidence factor about them. That they believed in their success before their success happened. You know what I mean? And I and I just called it confidence factor. And this was a term that we that we coined and we used between us, between the two of us over the decades. And I taught him, I encouraged him to wield that power. Nice. So he was very actually successful in doing that in a lot of ways. He's he's been able to manifest things in this world that it's like, okay, that's gotta be a confidence factor at play, you know. You know, so so and I so that that that's where that foundation started. And then during my nursing career, I would observe things that were taking place at the bedside that continued to defy conventional explanation, miraculous recoveries, miraculous um coincidental happenings of um when things happen in a sequence of events that says, wow, that's not normal. That is not explained by you know the particle physics reality that we've come to understand.

SPEAKER_02 14:03

I 100% get it.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

I live my life with those. So I just made mental notes of all these occurrences and tried to make sense of them over the years, you know, and then I said, you know, started thinking, I said, man, I have to I have to document this, I have to write this down and present it in a in an organized manner. And then I became exposed to quantum physics. You know, and then I said, wait a second now, hold on. Observer effect, wave particle, uh-huh, uh potential, then collapsing into what we call physical. I said, wait a minute now, hold on. That may be the explanation to what these uh phenomena that we're gonna do.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

Why shouldn't it happen?

SPEAKER_00 14:47

Yeah, you know what I mean. This is the they they they they they at minimal are related, and at maximum is the explanation. Yeah, you know what I mean. So when I started, so I started doing a little looking into the into that, you know, that world of science, and I became more convinced that that was what was going on. You know, so I started talking to my colleagues about I'm writing a theory about this, I'm writing, I'm gonna apply this to a nursing theory. I'm gonna I'm gonna show how these phenomena can be applied to nursing practice for best outcomes for my patients. Nice. You know what I mean? And that's that was how it started. And I've been saying it for 10 years, and then two years ago I said, okay, I'm gonna actually put it down on paper now. I'm gonna I'm gonna start writing it, you know, and I'm gonna start putting this.

SPEAKER_02 15:35

So it was only two years ago you put this thing together.

Bedside “Miracles” And The Confidence Factor

SPEAKER_00 15:38

I started, and I well, three years ago actually. It was two years before I published it.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

You were collecting the data for it for 10 years, but then more than 10 years.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

So you had all these notes and all these observations and all of these theories and phenomenon that were taking place in front of me that was like, okay, you know, one maybe say, oh wow, coincidence. Two is like, wow, that's interesting. Three is like, okay, wait a second now. Four is like, whoa, there's something here. Then the numbers start adding up seven, eight, nine, ten incidences of this weird, hard to explain circumstances and coincidences. When you get to 10, 12, 13, 15, you're like, okay, all right now. This is this beyond, it's not a coincidence anymore. And then uh stop believing coincidences. Yeah. It's like, okay, this is not a coincidence anymore. There's something here. There's something taking place here that's not explained by what we're told to believe about our physical reality.

SPEAKER_02 16:37

I couldn't agree more. I've I've lived a life of of experiences like that. I went with through one battle with the government that I ultimately was victorious, and there was no shortage of no short, no less than eight or nine, what I called miracles that happened. And and they didn't just happen, like you said. And then in the last year and a half, I I beat a really aggressive cancer. And again, the same thing. I my I have one case study that's published in the medical journal now, and then the second one being written, and I just don't know what to say.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

And I'm like, well, you know, that's amazing, Joe. And you know what I have to say to that is that when someone receives a devastating prognosis, yeah, a diagnosis, right? Something like that, their mental state and outlook plays a bigger role than the medicine and the science of explaining. Oh, yeah. How they look at it, appreciate it, and attack it, yeah, has a greater determinant of determination of the ultimate outcome than the the prognosis itself, the diagnosis itself.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 17:50

But the person actualizes in themselves will have a greater determinant of what happens.

SPEAKER_02 17:55

Yeah. Both of those cases, I had very clear desire and determination for a certain outcome, and I didn't take my eye off it, and I never let my energy go, and I just kept going at it like a friggin' monster until I got what I needed.

SPEAKER_00 18:13

I love it. I love it. I love that. That just further confirmation of what I believe, you know. Another one.

SPEAKER_02 18:21

Well, you know, what I've gotten out of this is that anything is possible. You know, you look at the quantum world, and if you ever lay out on your back on a clear night and you look up at the stars, and you just see this infinite tapestry of light, and you think to yourself, each one of those lights is a gigantic sun that is part of a galaxy that we can't even see. You know, it just goes on and on huge. But then the same thing happens on the small.

SPEAKER_01 18:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:52

And you go smaller and smaller and smaller, and they keep finding smaller pieces and smaller pieces.

SPEAKER_00 18:57

Yes, they keep trying to find that God particle, which is the ultimate, the ultimate small. Right. But as they go deeper, they're smaller.

SPEAKER_02 19:04

And then they find out that it's all connected, and then one thing can be in two places. All this crazy stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:11

Yes, the the the the observer effects, yeah, entanglement. Right. You know, it's like, okay, well, hold on now.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

There's what comes out of it is that anything is possible. And when you think about your brain, your spirit, your heart, whatever you want to call it, that that thing that is you.

SPEAKER_00 19:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 19:31

That's creative force.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:33

Literally, like I always tell people, I go, anything you look, look around you, anything you see, anything, a table, the light, the I know what you're gonna say.

unknown 19:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

Somebody thought that at one point.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

I say that all the time. Yeah, I I tell people that all the time. If it's not, even you could even push it out to the living beings that you see. Exactly. But keeping that within the realm of just the created man-made things, right? Everything that is not a living being that you could see in your environment, yeah, was a thought first. Yes. Well, the thought first. That's how powerful the human mind is, that's how powerful consciousness is that we create. Yes, we are creators, yes, you know, and and and and it starts with a thought, that starts with the energy of a thought, and then and the thought is just another form of energy. We're energetic beings in an energetic universe, and and and then the interplay of energetic uh pieces creates what we call our reality. You know how what we think is a solid piece of plastic or wood or glass is just energy in a different vibrational frequency.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

Yeah, at a molecular level, it's mostly empty space.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

Empty space.

SPEAKER_02 20:57

Crazy, crazy. Well, we're seeing things in the same lens. So tell me about your book, The Power of Love and Nursing Theory.

Quantum Reality And The Power Of Love

SPEAKER_00 21:04

Well, you know, it's it gathered all of that, all of what we just spoke to about just in the last few minutes, is um organizing it into a nursing approach, approach for direct patient care interactions. Where you talk to any nurse, yeah, and they'll be able to give you a for instance or an example or anecdotal reference to some form of phenomena similar to what we discussed. Wow, there was this miracle that happened, or there's this crazy thing that happened. Every nurse you speak to will say that they've had an experience like that in their life, right? Sure. So that's because they're wielding this power without knowledge of the fact that they're wielding this power. Got it. They're not, they're not, it's not an organized effort. So these things are happening incidentally in their experiences. What I'm proposing is now that we understand that this is our reality, now that you know. Okay, let me go back and digress a little bit. Albert Einstein and the News Book, they spent the 1927 Savoy meeting of the greatest minds in the world debating the nature of our reality. What is the nature of our reality? Einstein was in the particle physics realm, talking about, you know, solid matter, space and time. If something traverses from here to there, there's a time component attached to it, right? Niels Bohr was in the quantum physics world where he said that, you know, nothing is determined, everything's connected, the observer effect is real. That debate went off at the entire meeting, and that debate continued up until about 2018, I believe was when there was a scientist by the name of Anton Zellinger who did a study using light from two quasars to determine, to determine quantum entanglement and the observer effect. And that was what to me was the deciding factor. Where he was just trying to determine are we in a quantum physics reality or are we in a particle physics reality? Are we in Niels Bohr's world or in Einstein's world? And at the end of his research, he determined that we're in a quantum reality, that the observer effect is real, quantum entanglement is real. So that that debate is now settled, right? Maybe not widely known, but it's now our truth, right? As far as we know, up to this point, right? So if that is our truth, if that is our reality, if that is the fact of our existence, that we're living in a quantum reality, then we should be acting in that knowledge. Makes sense. You know what I mean? We should be approaching how we do things in that reality, with that. So now we instead of having things happen incidentally in our practice with our patients, we should make it purposeful, make it a determinant part of how we interact with patients, knowing that our thoughts, intentions, emotions, intentions, and emotions can have an actual impact on what we call our physical reality. So if so, if that's the case, let's organize this into a methodical way of approaching how we interact with patients, knowing that this is our reality.

SPEAKER_02 25:22

Nice. I like that. I think one of the things that maybe is the most difficult to overcome, or when a patient doesn't have the will to overcome.

SPEAKER_00 25:33

Yeah, that's that was that's that's the hard part.

SPEAKER_02 25:36

Yeah, that was key in my world, is is especially with the cancer. I had I was going to beat this. I was gonna, I want to live, I'm gonna live. That was just my driving force. But now I run into people that I know I can help with the things I've learned, and I can't get them to care enough.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

I'm not open to it. You know what it is, Joe? We're living in a fear-based reality.

SPEAKER_02 26:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:02

You know, where fear is the predominant orientation. You know, it's not just an emotion, it's not just a feeling, it's a way of looking at things. It's a way of approaching things, you know, and I address that in the book too, because I I also clinical professor, I teach in a student. Oh, nice. All right. So in my clinical experiences with my students, when I get them into my class, and when we went to uh facilities, and I have to help them get you know hands-on with patients and and interact with patients for the first time usually. I tell them, I say, okay, now I understand that you've been uh indoctrinated into a world of fear because they they start very early in nursing schools indoctrining your nurses into the fear-based perspectives where you're working hard for your license, don't make a mistake and license it. Don't do anything that's gonna make lose your license. Don't lose fear, lose, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear. And I said, you know what? In this class, we do not practice fear-based nursing, we practice love-based nursing. Okay, and love is not what you get from someone, love is what you give to someone.

SPEAKER_02 27:13

Love is the opposite of fear.

SPEAKER_00 27:15

Uh, it is. They're the opposite of fear. People think that the opposite of love is hate. Hate is just a manifestation of fear. Yeah. Love and fear. You know what I mean? So, you know, they're the two opposing forces. So we say we're gonna we're we're gonna practice love-based nursing, and we're not going to focus on anything that we fear. We're gonna not gonna give what we fear any energy, any of our thought energy, not even our emotional energy. Now we're not gonna entertain it at all. We're gonna focus on creating the outcomes that we desire for our patients. That's gonna we're gonna bring our expertise, our positive intentions, and our care for our patients and the maximum intention for creating the best outcomes for our patients. And that's how we're gonna approach how we interact with our patients. And and that's you know, that's been my approach for how I interact with my students. And that for that perspective, I'm changing the orientation. It's like it's not I'm not talking about love as a feeling and emotion, it's uh it's an orientation to interactions. Right. It's a basing of where you're coming from, you know, the foundational approach.

SPEAKER_02 28:29

Exactly. Yeah, it's your it it it's your it's your why, it's your driving force. You're coming from a place of love, I'm doing loving work, yeah.

Fear-Based Training Burnout And Advocacy

SPEAKER_00 28:37

So now nurses are indoctrinated into, and it's not just nurses, most of healthcare providers are indoctrinated into a fear-based approach to what they're doing. And then they they lose empathy and compassion. And and as one doctor was saying that in his third year of medical school, he was taught, don't care too much.

SPEAKER_02 29:07

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 29:08

Don't care too much because you might get caught up and get burnt out. But recent studies have shown that that is the source of burnout, and the cure for burnout is greater compassion, greater care. When you care and you and you give up yourself and you see the results of caring, that is the antidote to that to burnout.

SPEAKER_02 29:28

Oh, I couldn't agree more. They have a thing in oncology they call standard of care, and it's sort of their box that says if this, then that.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:39

And I couldn't get doctors to go outside of it. And and I was like, Well, I don't want to do this thing you want to do to me because the the consequences are worse than if than than the outcome. I don't want that. And I had to be my own advocate and finally absolutely without a doubt. A rebel doctor that would go outside of that who had his own practice and didn't care about, you know, getting kicked off the whatever, you know.

SPEAKER_00 30:05

Yes, the medical board didn't c wouldn't come after him because he wasn't following or tone the line or following the conventional pathways that are that are scripted for them. You know, and that's that's the kind of doctor that you need today.

SPEAKER_02 30:18

Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're hard to find. This guy's an 82-year-old Korean guy, and I hope he lives another 20 years because he's helping a lot of people.

SPEAKER_00 30:27

Absolutely, without a doubt. That's the type of doctors that you need in today's society, because I'm gonna say this and at the risk of being very, very controversial, but it's a fact. It's a statistical fact. Yeah, the third leading cause of death in America behind heart disease and cancer is medical malpractice.

SPEAKER_02 30:53

Oh, I could not agree more.

SPEAKER_00 30:55

No, this is a statistical fact. It's not, it's not, it's not an opinion.

SPEAKER_02 30:59

Yeah, no, I I I stand with you on that.

SPEAKER_00 31:03

So, given that, if that's the truth and that's the reality, your doctor's work can kill you.

SPEAKER_01 31:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:11

Yeah, high at a high frequency. So you have to be your advocate. You have to be your own advocate. You have to be maximally vigilant when interacting with them. And you have to be as informed as you possibly can so that you understand where and what they're offering and saying may be not the best thing for you. Agreed. You know, because they're they're there if they're they have a scripted pathway that they have to follow. Whether it's good or bad, they have to follow it. And so they're at a greater risk of of problems and consequences if they don't follow it, even if it's not necessarily the best thing for that patient.

SPEAKER_02 31:55

Agreed. Tell me, I mean, we're running a little light on time, and and I I know that I this happens with many guests, and I want to uh welcome you to come back and go deeper into some of this because I really find where you're coming from fascinating. And I could go real deep into a couple of these angles. I'd love to have you back to do that. But let's hear about your loving care partners and your mobile lab techs.

Mobile Lab Services And Patient Navigation

SPEAKER_00 32:20

Okay. My mobile lab tech is known as a company I started uh about 2021 to fulfill stated goals of the healthcare industry to decentralize services and bring them out into the community. Whereas instead of having everyone come to the hospital to get the services they need or go come to a facility, the services go out to the community to them. You know, in the age of uh baby boomers aging and the fastest growing demographics is our senior citizens. Oh, yeah. Um, a lot of them have impairments, so mobility, homebound, bedbound, chronic illnesses that limits their ability to get out of their homes and go to receive services. My company brings diagnostic services to them. One of the models, well, we have two models. We have one for the patients and one for the providers. The patient's model is bringing the diagnostic services you need to the locations that you want. We're taking the service to you, your home office, your business. The one for the providers is don't send your patients to the lab, send the labs to your patients. You know, so we're we're doing um clinical diagnostic services, x-rays, ultrasound, phlebotomy, specimen collections for clinical labs, paternity testing, molecular uh diagnostics, and drug and alcohol testing. That's one of the four divisions of service. Nice. Okay. Loving care partners is a company we just formed and it's not completely launched yet. It's a patient, it's a healthcare consumer advocacy company helping patients to navigate their healthcare system to their best benefit because the system is self-serving. I've worked in the belly of the beast for 40 plus years, and I and I and I and I it's something I cannot not see. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? The system is self-serving, and patients are not necessarily getting the best that they should, you know. And so I I think I know. So I I've started Loving Care Partners to help guide people to best outcomes to information, education, advocacy. You know, we help to help them to make better decisions for themselves through giving them the best information that they can get.

SPEAKER_02 34:40

Nice. Well, Winston, if you had one thought to impart to our listeners, I I know you could probably have a dozen of them, but you could just still down and you had a you know a 20 20-second elevator pitch to to leave our our guests with. What what would that look like?

SPEAKER_00 34:58

Okay. Understand the nature of your reality. We're living in a quantum quantum reality, and you have greater control over the world around you than you've been taught. Wield that power for your best benefit. Your thoughts matter, the words you use matter, the ideas you keep in your mind matter. Wield them to your best benefit. Positive thinking, a love-based approach to everything. The most loving response to whatever you're dealing with will always be the best response.

SPEAKER_02 35:33

I love that. That I could not agree with that more. I telling people all the time, you know, what do you what are you talking about, these things you don't like for? You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:44

Why why why give it energy?

SPEAKER_02 35:45

Why do you give them life? Yeah, you know, just talking about the good stuff. That's crazy. Well, you've got a couple of books, you've got a couple of businesses. Why don't you let us know um how we can find them and how to reach you?

Key Takeaway Plus Where To Find Him

SPEAKER_00 35:58

Okay. Well, you can go to poweroflove theory.com. That's where you'll find my literary works going. And there's uh my contact information is there, and the opportunities to buy the book uh is there. Poweroflovetheory.com, no spaces. Okay. And my uh what uh my mobile lab text is mobile labtext.com. And then when uh Loving Care Partners is fully launched, there's a platform uh with four tiers of membership that you can join and receive opportunity to see all of our documents that talks about their healthcare experience from uh registration to post-discharge with tutorials about different procedures that might undergo while you're in a facility, how to respond to them, what to expect. And you can get that at lovingcarepartners.org.

SPEAKER_02 36:48

Beautiful. Well, I I am so grateful and that we had a chance to sit together and have this conversation. And I'm dead serious about wanting to go deeper.

SPEAKER_00 36:58

I I whenever you're ready, Joe, I'm ready because uh, you know, there's so much more that we could have talked about.

SPEAKER_02 37:04

There's so much we can barely scratch the surface. And these these things that you're talking about are so powerful, and they translate way beyond the medical world, they translate into every aspect of everybody's life, and I I I believe they deserve more attention. So I let's let's talk about that. Maybe in a month or two, let's uh look at getting back together and doing this again.

SPEAKER_00 37:28

Sounds great, Joe. Appreciate you having me. And uh it's my uh my pleasure and honor to be uh addressing you and your audience. So I look forward to having a deeper discussion about these topics later on.

SPEAKER_02 37:39

Beautiful. Well, thank you so much. This has been another episode of the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, and I want to thank all of our listeners for making this show possible, and we will see you next week.