The Gratitude Equation with Thayne Martin

A lot of people can teach mindset. Far fewer can tell you what it costs to rebuild a nervous system that learned fear before it learned safety. We sit down with Thayne Martin, creator of the “equation of life and abundant happiness,” for a conversation that moves from childhood sexual abuse and decades of depression, PTSD, dissociation, addiction, and shame to the moment everything cracked open and healing finally started. 

Thane shares the suicide attempt that exposed how much he’d been hiding, the friend who stepped in at the last moment, and the long road through therapy that included EMDR (eye movement desensitization and reprocessing) to unlock memories his mind had walled off. We also talk openly about overmedication and medical risk, including the medication reaction that triggered a seizure and led to Thayne drowning in a pool, then surviving a near-death experience he says permanently changed his direction. 

From that pivot point, we explore his practical framework for emotional regulation and trauma recovery, built around simple math: add what brings goodness, subtract what harms your energy, multiply aligned action and intention, and divide by sharing excess with others. He calls gratitude the equal sign, and he breaks down a “gratitude sandwich” practice you can use with a stranger that he believes creates real neurobiological change and deeper human connection. 

If you’re searching for tools that help trauma healing stick, want to understand EMDR stories from someone who lived it, or you’re curious about gratitude practice backed by a neuroscience lens, this one will stay with you. Subscribe, share this with someone who needs hope, and leave a review with the one gratitude habit you want to try next.

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Welcome And Guest Introduction

SPEAKER_01 0:12

Well, hello and welcome to the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, and I've got a very special guest today. His name is Thane Martin. And this guy, man, we've been talking for the last couple of minutes, and I don't even know where to begin. But he's the creator of the equation of life and the abundant and abundant happiness, or illa. And this is a personal transformation, business transformation, workshops and all that. Life reads like a blueprint for reinvention. He was born into a legacy of trauma, dysfunction, and emotional silence. He spent years mastering the art of appearing successful, leading in sales, mentoring teams, and thriving in boardrooms across industries, from luxury design to real estate, the automotive industry, and so much more. Thane knew how to win at every industry he touched. What he didn't know was how to feel and how to fix himself. And I'm going to stop right there. Let's jump right into this conversation. We've been going at this already for a few minutes, and I I just really want to get into this conversation. So, you know, welcome to the show. It's great to have you here. Thank you. I appreciate the opportunity to meet you and your viewers. Thank you so much. Wonderful. So why don't you tell me a little bit about, you know, the the quick bullet point Genesis story of what brought you here?

SPEAKER_00 1:40

Okay, my story, uh, born and raised in Phoenix, Arizona, had a wonderful mother and father and little family uh in East Phoenix. And I had a normal childhood until I started being groomed by pedophiles that moved into my neighborhood. And they started grooming me. Other children began grooming me. And then ultimately I was horribly assaulted at a young age. But but it didn't stop there. It continued for six years because they were in cahoots together and they operated outside of the church where I should have been safe. I would actually be abused inside the building itself, which is pretty awful. So, so that was my life experience. And because of that, I developed a bunch of really crappy mental health disorders that encumbered me most of my life. Severe depression. I once had uh DID with multiple personalities. I didn't have that today, but it was a coping mechanism from being abused, bipolar ADHD, and PTSD. I knew uh addiction and I knew over medication by the system. That's literally what I knew for over 50 years of my life. So that led me to a path of healing after a suicide attempt. Just keeping it real. I was in my early 40s when I realized that life wasn't working for me and I couldn't fix my mental health despite trying, or better yet, running from it. And that was the wake-up call for me. And I started traditional therapy. I ended up being over-medicated by professionals. At one time, they had me on seven pillboxes, and that's a problem. Okay. And yet that was all done by doctors, and that's what's also a big problem. So interestingly, it I actually had a near-death experience that changed everything for me. And it was medication. I had an allergic reaction to medication I should not have been given. And I ended up having a seizure from the meds and I drowned in my family swimming pool. Whoa. Yep. True story. Thankfully, I survived. I spent about a week in the hospital putting my life back together, both physically and mentally. And then I began remembering what happened to me in that pool. I have a very vivid near-death experience that literally changed me from that day forward. And I wrote something from that experience that I now teach. And that's what's called the equation of life and abundant happiness. We also call it Ella for short.

The Suicide Attempt And Being Found

SPEAKER_01 4:21

Wow. Man, that's uh Yeah, you said you said quick and dirty, so there you go. Yeah, yeah. That's gonna that's gonna take me a month to unpack all that. But uh so pick something, let's roll. Yeah, yeah. So I mean it sounds like you've had two brushes with death that I that I'm seeing in this story. One self-afflicted and the other one happened as a result of a seizure. Yes. And when you failed at the suicide attempt, that's that's one of those moments in your life where you have choices to make. You know, you could have kept on trying, or you can decide, wait a minute, that was a bad idea. Maybe life is worth living after all. Why don't you tell me a little bit about that kind of process? Because at one point, yeah, you have a lust for life today, much as I do. Yeah, something gives that to you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

Yeah. So, you know, so at that time, I was a very busy uh sales professional professional. I was managing half of the United States for a large uh tech company, which meant I was traveling an on-the-road plane around four nights a week for almost uh 15 years traveling. And and I was working high-profile company, massive responsibilities, and life wasn't working because I was hiding. I would project that everything was fine. I was always up on stages demonstrating stuff and talking to large audiences. And so it was almost like with the peculiar disorder I had, I was literally a different person. And then when I would go back to the hotel room, I would switch back into being kind of broken. And honestly, even though I was in these luxurious hotels, I would sleep in the closet because it I would just grab the pillows and meander over to the closet, shut the doors, and that's where I felt safe because as a child, the closet was a safe space to be from my abusers. So I carried that into my adulthood. That's what happens when you mess with kids. And so, yeah, I had just reached a point in my marriage, in my life, and everything that it didn't make sense. And so I had been gathering a box, uh, a bottle of I called it a bottle of death. I've been saving pills one pill at a time and mixed it down with a fifth of alcohol, and that was the end for me. But crazy as things are, a friend of mine saved my life that day. Really? Yeah, he sent me a text message. It's actually a crazy story. He used to sit next to me when I was a little boy. I was in the Phoenix Boys Choir, and it's a rather famous choir that travels all around the world and rather famous. And I met this young man as a little boy. We sang in the choir together. And then when I got married, he was in my wedding party. And then I moved to the Midwest. He moved up to the Northwest, and we lost touch over the years. So, literally, the day that I committed suicide, I had only seen him a week prior after reconnecting after 10 um 15 years. We had had zero contact. Wow. And I had made uh an appointment to see him that following Monday. And we were gonna meet him at Henry's and grab a beer, but I forgot about it. I forgot that I made the appointment and I had already taken all the drugs and was on my way out. And I got one last text message from my friend Colin, and he said, Where are you? And I'm like, Oh shit, I forgot about that. And so I messaged back. I'm not the man. I said, I won't be joining you. I'm not the man you think I am. That's what I said. And and then I laid back down, and then he took action and he saved my life. And then ultimately called my wife, said, I'm putting him on a plane and he's coming home, and he's got a problem with suicide. So, honey, you need to be ready when he arrives. And that was literally the first time that anybody in my entire life knew that anything had ever happened to me. Like the only people knew that I had been abused were the people that abused me and other little boys that were also abused, but sadly, three of them have already taken their own lives, and one died, one died from HIV early on before there was any cures for it. So, yeah, that that's what happened. And but it was the wake-up call that suicide attempt. I didn't make the choice to live, I was saved by somebody else.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

Wow. And then so you were in some sort of a drugged stupor when all this was going on. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

Yeah, you had sort of an entire bottle of death and mixed it down with alcohol, and I was on my way to La La Land when they found and then they found you, pumped you, got you in a place where they could.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

And so at one point, though, you you're you had to reckon with yourself. You know, there there was that point a day or a week or however long afterward where you're getting your head back together, you're not, you know, hung over from this cocktail. Yeah. And tell me about that, because that's that's one of those, you know, really critical moments.

EMDR And Recovering Missing Memories

SPEAKER_00 9:46

Yeah. So for me, you know, again, I had tried to outrun my trauma my entire life, and I had told nobody. So I carried that scar and the damage that happened to me my whole life because of shame, right? I never wanted anybody to ever look at me and think that I might abuse their children because it's a common misconception that the public holds that if you're abused, you will go into abuse. And the actual statistic is five to eight percent.

SPEAKER_01 10:14

So yes, five to eight. I didn't know that. I I I have been told that I believed it. I had no reason not to, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:24

So so the actual majority of people abused do not go on to abuse, but that's not what the public thinks. Yeah, and I never wanted my wife to think I can't leave my little girls home with my husband grocery store. Like that would have freaking killed me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I didn't tell anybody until that suicide attempt. And then honestly, when I started down that path, nobody wanted to work with me. Of course not. It was literally my mother's tears getting on the phone, talking to therapists, explaining that I was suicidal and literally one day away from killing myself. Yeah, and she ran across one therapist who heard the cries of my mother and said, I'm gonna clear my afternoon, get him here within the hour. And and I showed up to that therapist and I just sat in the chair and cried. I didn't do anything. And I literally I sat in her chair for almost 90 days doing something called EMDR and a lot of crying. And then one day, EMDR unlocked and unlocked an image in my mind, and from that image, we began unlocking what had happened to me because prior to about age 18, I couldn't tell you anything about myself. Nothing, no memories at all.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

And what is uh EMDR uh an acronym for?

SPEAKER_00 11:43

EMDR, it's uh it's eye movement desensitation and reprocessing.

SPEAKER_01 11:49

So I know I've heard about this from another guest previously. I just and and it seemed like this guy had a really remarkable experience with it too.

SPEAKER_00 11:59

It's something very helpful, it's very healing. And for me, what it does is they manipulate you when it's not hypnotism, but literally making your eyes or they're stimulating your body left, right, left, right. And then that that triggers things in your subconscious. Okay. And that's why it's a a studied protocol today that's actually being used is EMDR. EMDR is what unlocked my past. Uh I couldn't have told you what happened to me had it not been for that therapist's guilt and that particular tool. I'd still be sick or probably dead had she not figured that out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:40

So at which point, okay, so I you tried to take your own life, you hit a therapist, but you were telling me that later on. When was the when was the the seizure episode?

SPEAKER_00 13:45

So that actually happened August of 2023. So that's recently. Wow. Very recent. Yeah. So here's what I would tell you. I went through traditional path of healing. I started with a therapist. I I took uh probably about six years or more of weekly therapy um working with my therapist. And then I took a course in large group awareness training, which most people don't know what that is, but it's it's an emotional intelligence course that's very intense and it's taught in a large group. Amazing course, life-changing. The problem is it didn't stick. That's the problem with most transformations, is they don't stick. Right. Everybody goes back to the old self.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

So there has to be problem is deeper than the heel.

SPEAKER_00 14:34

Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's surface level healing. You're right. That's a great way to look at it. So what has to be there is a program that keeps you what I call rooted in the goodness. So it keeps you locked in, but then it needs to have an anchor. And an anchor is something that anybody can do anywhere, anytime, any place to immediately offset their emotional health. So if I'm feeling angry, sad, depressed, whatever, I need to have something that I can do at any time, any day to right set my emotional energy. And unless your programs have a way to stay rooted in goodness and an anchor, everybody will unwind.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

And that's like a positive trigger.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that's ultimately what I created. But here's what I will tell you I lived, even with therapy and the large group awareness training. Eventually, I made my way to a psychologist who officially diagnosed me with things that even the therapist couldn't diagnose. So that's yeah, that's when I was diagnosed with dissociative identity disorder, with CPTSD, with bipolar one, and then ultimately ADHD. But here's the thing: I don't have any of those things today. None.

SPEAKER_01 15:57

I am you just got the symptoms of it.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

I have I have I don't even have that, man. I am I am dialed in a hundred percent. I have these things, and I healed myself using experiential neuroscience. That's literally what I learned how to do is to heal from within, naturally. Okay. And so I would tell you that my life professionally was up and down because of my mental health. But that night that I drowned in the pool, my doctors had given me medication that they shouldn't have given me. And we know that now because they did a blood panel on me and bounced it against known pharmaceuticals. And the number one drug they should have never given me was the drug that they gave me.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

Of course.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:44

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 16:44

Right. And it literally almost cost me my life. I almost drowned in that dang pool. The only reason I'm alive is because the thing upstairs saved me, and that's the truth.

SPEAKER_01 16:52

Yeah, no, I I I you don't have to tell me about that.

SPEAKER_00 16:56

So I I I mean, I told you before we started the call, I went through two bounces of cancer. I mean, trust me, I've been through the gamut physically and mentally. But that night in the pool when I drowned is what changed everything for me because I I had a near-death experience that profoundly changed everything for me. And the other thing is, I gotta download, and I don't know any other word to use than that.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

Is I have a good word, that's a good word.

Experiential Neuroscience And Lasting Change

SPEAKER_00 17:25

Yeah, I have knowledge in my head of science and things that I did not learn in this life. I will tell you that. And from that, I created the equation life and abundant happiness. I taught myself experiential neuroscience and then created a way to heal myself. And that's exactly what I did. And then once I realized how amazing this actually worked, I started trying it out on other people that struggled with mental health. And lo and behold, they started having like record groundbreaking improvements in their lives. So that's when I started going, okay, this there's something special about what I've created. And that's what I do now. I started a neuroscience company. It's called it's purelove.com. And I teach people how to heal themselves, and I teach companies how to change their culture by changing the emotional health of the employees. And I use AI to measure culture, so it's pretty sophisticated.

SPEAKER_01 18:26

Interesting. Well, I don't let's let's jump into that. So you went from a place where you got this new life. You got a new life, basically. You got a download, you got aware of some things that you weren't aware of. I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, I've I've had some.

SPEAKER_00 18:45

You've been there in your journey.

SPEAKER_01 18:47

Yeah, I know. Yeah, and and so when you get something like that, like for me, I was shown my whole life. I was shown my healthy body, and I was told that if I just did the work, I I'm there already. I just have to catch up to myself. And I that's what carried me through this difficult journey. Is like I just gotta do the work, you know. Right. Well, and and you had something called faith.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

Oh, absolutely, 100%. You had faith and you believed, right? Right. I was I was raised in a in an offshoot of Christianity. I left it and became a complete atheist. And then, you know, and I was still a good person. Don't get me wrong. I definitely had an anger problem and I was a Karen. Okay. Okay. I was a Karen and I treated people like that. And except unless you were friends and family. If friends and family, you're good. Outside of that, general public, no, I crucify you left and right. Seriously, I was a privileged little jerk. Like I I will say it, and I'm not proud of that because that's certainly not who I am today.

SPEAKER_01 19:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. So you've got this download, you you you put it to work, you've experienced the value of it, so you you've you're you don't have to you don't have to be sold it. You've sold it to yourself. You've you've experienced it. You're like you, it's like getting the gospel and and getting it and going, oh crap, I need to tell people about this because it's yeah, and so I I knew that I could not go back to corporate America.

Trauma Stories And Subconscious Beliefs

SPEAKER_00 20:24

Right. I could make massive money there, but I don't want it, and that's not who I am today. I don't care about working for anybody. What I care about is helping other people that have experienced trauma in their life, how to overcome it. But here's the key thing trauma. I had a trauma, okay? And trauma takes its place in many ways. There's physical trauma, there's sexual trauma, there's trauma. Okay, but here's the real trauma. We've all lived our lives, and especially when we were children, we experienced things that were negative. Right. And we wrote the wrong story in our brain about that experience because we weren't mature enough to handle long-term decision making, and we didn't have enough experience in life to know that that was not the right story. So here's the problem. That story gets embellished over your life, and then it becomes a permanent self-limiting belief. And there's so many things that people have in their shadow that they're unaware of because it's in your subconscious. We have 68,000 thoughts a day, average human being, 68,000 decisions. 95% of them are done by your subconscious mind. Right. So, what's in those 95%? That's the question, because that's showing up who you are in your present reality, and it's also projecting into your future. And that was my problem. I couldn't get out of it because I was stuck. I was stuck until I learned how to rewire literally and change the neuropathways in my brain. And I did it rapidly, and I did it with this crazy protocol that I learned one day when I interacted with a stranger. Another story. That taught me something I'd never experienced before. Like never.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

Really?

The Gratitude Cocktail Breakthrough

SPEAKER_00 22:39

Yeah. Okay, and you know what? So did she. And she was a perfect stranger. She was at the counter in a fast food restaurant. True story. And that woman touched my life, and I changed her life that day. And we both got what I call a gratitude cost. Cocktail. Nice. It's called a gratitude cocktail. And and it is a phenomena that I have discovered, pioneered, and spent a quarter of a million dollars researching. Wow. It's literally a phenomenon that we're gonna get studied clinically in a university because of what it does and how it affects the neurobiologics of the brain.

SPEAKER_01 23:28

Like it's the well, I certainly want to learn more about that. I know gratitude is is such a powerful choice. It's neuroscience.

The Math Behind Emotional Balance

SPEAKER_00 23:50

They would say, My grandmother, I would have two scoops of ice cream in my bowl, and about towards the end of that second scoop, I'm like, grandma, I need more ice cream. And it was coming back at me, you need to be more grateful. So, what did gratitude become for me? A word that I didn't like. Oh, I didn't like that word, right? So after I drowned in the pool, I learned that we apply math to human emotion. And when we apply math to human emotion, human emotion is physical matter. Same thing. And the and the universe is organized and sustains balance, and it's done with math. Math. Okay. So what if I could achieve perfect balance of my own emotions and of my life if I applied mathematical principles? What would happen? That's literally what I started writing. So I use it's the easiest thing in the world to remember, which is super important because anybody knows this. What was the first thing you remembered, Joe, learning in math in elementary school? What was the first thing you remembered learning?

SPEAKER_01 24:54

Probably addition.

The Gratitude Sandwich With Strangers

SPEAKER_00 24:55

Yeah, exactly. And addition is the first operator in the equation life and abundant happiness. And addition means we add those things in life that bring forth goodness and joy. All right. I like that. Yeah, okay. What'd you learn next? Subtraction. Yes, and subtraction is about letting go of those things that don't service, that harm our souls, harm our energy, and letting it go. That is subtraction. Okay, so so the thing upstairs, which everybody gets to name, I call the thing upstairs God. You can call it whatever you want because equation of life and abundant happiness does not care what religion you believe in. Okay. It doesn't matter. We all know that we have a responsibility in any moment to balance. So I add what I need, subtract what I don't, and I and I achieve a state of emotional balance in this moment. And then I take my action and my intention and I align it with the world and the power up above. And that moves into what you learn next in grade school, which was multiplication. You learned your times tables. All right. So I take my action, my intention, and now I multiply. I gotta grow and I gotta make it bigger. And it does. Anytime we put goodness and energy behind it, it always grows bigger. That's wonderful, but it brings up something that's important, and that's something I call heartfelt abundance. Heartfelt abundance is a number and a cost that comes from your heart. So I'm gonna use math. I started out with a hundred bucks, I achieved balance, I applied action and intention, aligned it with the higher power, my friends and family, and I grew it to a thousand. Now I've got a thousand. What do I do with it? Okay, the next operator is division, because that's correct. The equation of life and abundant happiness is all of them leading up to the equal sign. But here's the issue: who do I divide it with? Okay. How much do I give do I give away? That's where heart-filled abundance comes in. So, in that original example, if I've got a thousand bucks, I need 600 of this to pay my rent this week. But I also know that as a human, I need a little bit of cushion and safety to meet the ebbs and flows of life. And God understands that. So, what does your heart say that you need out of that thousand? I need 600 and another 150 to feel safe. Okay, okay. So I'm at 750. That means you have 250 dollars of excess abundance. So, what God says to do is you don't need it. And if you truly trust and believe in me, you know I will always provide what you need when you need it. So, what does that mean? You should give it away. Give it away. So, whenever I have excess money that I don't need, I literally give it away. Okay, I give it away in the form of cash, I give it away to people all the time because I don't need it. Why? Because I always have what I need, and I've I've lived that, all right. So, division is about sharing that expanded goodness, that excess, with the people that helped you create it. You put it back into the system, all right? Because if you don't do that, you have the world that we have today, which has starved in the middle. Extreme wealth on one end, poverty at the other end, and there's nobody in the middle. That's what's happened to our country. Right to world wealth. I mean, essentially, that's if you're if you're thinking about it, right? We're gonna have our world's first trillionaire, and yet we have people in underdeveloped countries with distended stomachs because they don't have food and water. And yet we all go to sleep every night under the same sun. Right. I don't know. I can't I can't sleep at night knowing that that's going on. And that's also what drives me to make a difference for those that want to come along, right? So I add, subtract, multiply, divide, and then the equal sign was the part that I didn't understand. And the equal sign is gratitude, because gratitude is the spark and the fuel for love. It is. Think about it. If I went out into public and I wanted to give some some love and affection to put it out into the world, if I went up to somebody and said, Hey, I I think you're probably having a bad day, do you mind if I give you a hug? They would go, you're insane and crazy and try to rob me. That's what everybody would do. But but what if, what if you were you were at you were at the Starbucks counter? Okay. I'm gonna give you an example of how I do this. You're at the Starbucks counter and you're just serving coffee, and then in walks Thane, who's gonna give this person a gratitude sandwich? Because that's what I'm gonna do. Okay, so I look the barista in the eye. I usually pause for just a couple of seconds. There's a reason why, won't go into it now, but I pause for just a couple of seconds, and that causes a physiological change in the body. Okay, it will do it, guaranteed. Then I ask for their name. Okay. If they're not wearing a name tag, I ask for their name. If the tag's on, I say, hey, I know you don't know me. Your name is Mary. My name is Thane Martin. And before I place my order, I just want to thank you. And I mean that sincerely because I'm here right now at 6:30 in the morning getting an amazing cup of coffee and a hot breakfast. And none of that happened unless you and the team behind you rolled out of bed about four o'clock in the morning. I know that because I used to also own a restaurant, which was a coffee business. So I know the hours that you pull in order to make this happen. I also know that this is not the place that you want to be forever. But you got out of bed this morning and you made a sacrifice to come here and take care of me. So I want to thank you sincerely from the bottom of my heart for showing up to work on time, for preparing this amazing cup of coffee for me. And then ultimately, you're giving me time. You're giving me time. I know right now you think you're just selling coffee, but you're actually touching my life because if I went home and made this cup of coffee and made this breakfast, that's 30 to 45 minutes of my time that I can now get back. And with that 30 to 45 minutes, I'm gonna spend that reading to my grandsons tonight. That's what I'm gonna do with that extra time that I got from your help. So I know you think you're just selling that, but you're not, you're affecting my life. And you never know. Maybe my grandson grows up someday and meets your daughter because crazier things have happened. So, Mary, I just want to thank you again from the bottom of my heart for showing up to work today. And I want you to know that I see you and I thank you for the goodness that you represent in the world. Wow. That is what you say, and about halfway through that thing, this person's gonna start getting emotional. And there's reasons why. And I know exactly why. This is part of the quarter of a million dollars I've spent studying. Yeah, I know exactly why this happens. Okay. So that person will then begin crying. And usually, if that person starts crying, you will also cry because our hearts are also entrained now because we're within six feet of each other, and our heartbeats will actually entrain because our hearts give off a magnetic signal that goes about four to six feet from the body. So my heart is now entrained with their heart, and they're having the same physiological response in their body that I'm having, and that response is love. It is love and dopamine. And when love and dopamine hits vasopressant and acetylcholine, you have an explosion of the most amazing feeling you've ever had in your life. It literally starts at the top of your head, it goes all the way to the bottom of the toes, it comes back up, and then your vagus nerve begins to activate. You'll feel the vagus nerve will wave. So, yeah, you will feel that, and you will never be the same. Never. Because once you've had one, it's the best drug known to man. And I'll say that because I've tried drugs, okay? And I will tell you this none of them hold a candle to what you can create naturally in your body when you when you create gratitude with strangers. That's the I love it.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

I love it. You know, it's funny, just like I told you, we're gonna run out of time before we even touch the surface of this conversation. I I get weepy all the time. I I'm I'm just that way now. I didn't used to be that way. I never tried to my life until I was probably 45 years old. And now just hearing a story like that, my eyes just start gushing away.

Men Crying And Balanced Strength

SPEAKER_00 33:43

I'm the same way. Well, that tells me that you're a heart-centric individual, you're totally in tune with your heart energy, which is why, as a man, you understand the power of positive, excuse me, what they call negative emotions, right? Yeah, like men are taught not to cry. The strongest man in the world cries. That's the truth, right? Strongest man in the world cries. A man, the perfect man is one that embodies masculine and feminine energy and perfect balance. That's ultimately what I teach because you ask a woman, what do they want? Somebody strong and protective, but can also be tender with the little ones and cuddle, right? You gotta do both to be the best man on the planet. And if you're just being alpha omega over here, you're doing yourself a disservice and also your family.

SPEAKER_01 34:33

There's a better way to live. Yeah, well, then I I've I came aware of of a concept in in my travels, and it's that everything I've done in my life, every choice I've made, every good and bad thing I've done, every action I've taken, every lack of action I've taken has brought me here to this moment. Yeah. I'm sitting here talking to you. Yeah, the same with you. Yeah, everything you've done in your whole entire life brought you here right now.

SPEAKER_00 35:07

And you want to know what's cool? Yeah. So in my NDE, I went through life review and I walked into the field of probabilities that exist. Yeah. So I know exactly what you're talking about when you say, because that's how God reviews your life. Right. It's one second at a time, and in that second is every single trajectory of every probability in existence. Exactly. Infinite, yeah. It is infinite, right? I mean, you can trace it all the way back to the Big Bang if you're a believer in that stuff. There you go. It's all connected. We are all connected. All the way cut from the same light. We all come from the same light.

You Are Enough Final Message

SPEAKER_01 35:51

So I am grateful that our paths came to this intersection here. Likewise. I'm certainly hoping that we're able to continue this conversation as we talked about. You have so many good thoughts. I'm listening to all these points, and you've intertwined wisdom and science and math in a way that I've seldom seen. Um I really appreciate the work you've done. Thank you. And I see what you've done. Thank you. Yeah, that's powerful. I I can't wait to to to get into this because you've you've got some what I just the tip tips and the icebergs that you showed me. I'm like, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Yeah, all the lining up. So yeah, but out of all of that, is there a thought that you could distill down to leave our listeners with until we talk again and continue this conversation?

SPEAKER_00 36:53

Yeah, this is what I would tell you. You are enough exactly as you are, and you are loved deeply exactly the way you are.

SPEAKER_01 37:06

I love it. Wow, that that's a lot going on and and just amazing. Like you've you got it. You got you got the good stuff, you got a good download. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 37:19

I appreciate your time. Thank you for allowing me to share a little bit from my crazy life.

How To Reach Thane Martin

SPEAKER_01 37:24

I am looking forward to hearing more about the people you're touching and all of that, but we don't really have time to get into that right now. But I definitely want to leave our our listeners with, you know, how do they get a hold of you? How do they find this program and all of that good stuff?

SPEAKER_00 37:39

Yeah, so so the best way to find me is my website. It's it's purelove.com. So it's it's p-r-e l o v e dot com. There is a link you can learn about the course. I offer courses. I just want to say this I work on a donation basis. Okay. I don't know any coach that works on a donation basis. I do that because I don't think that price should be a reason that you don't get better. That's what I would tell you.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

I get it. I run a nonprofit. I do everything on a token.

SPEAKER_00 38:11

Yeah, and it it's I think that's really important. And I think the second thing is, you know, there does have to be skin in the game. I've worked for free before and it doesn't work. It does not work because when you're doing shadow work and you're teaching people through experiences, some of the experiences are challenging. And you, you know, I'm gonna play a card on you, and you're gonna be like, You want me to do what? Yeah, that's right. This is sounds like an odd exercise, but trust me, when you finish this, you're gonna feel like a million dollars. Yeah, yeah. So I've just had people that I take it in for free, they quit then. And now I put two weeks of my life and energy into them, and that's not worth it to me. So it's like finishing guts, yeah. There's gotta be skin in the game, and at the end of the uh at the end of the my program, we settle up. Okay. So if I haven't done a great job, then I'll give you money back. If I've got better than you anticipated, then I expect you to pay me more. Fair enough. Okay, I think that's a fair rate of work, so that's how I roll.

SPEAKER_01 39:11

I love it. I love it. I you know, I think you just I want to come to your Joe.

SPEAKER_00 39:16

I gotta come check out your site sometime. I would love that your location.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

Yeah, I would love to sit down in the garden with you and and talk for about a week. We could probably talk for a week. I mean, both cancer survivors have a lot in common. We probably have a lot. Well, I I run a sweat lodge and and all sorts of other things too, that's not on the website yet. But yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:39

Where are you where are you located? Like what's the nearest major city or airport?

SPEAKER_01 39:43

I'm about halfway between LA and San Diego. I live by Kelsey, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:48

Oh, yeah, totally know where that is. Yeah, five hours away.

SPEAKER_01 39:52

Yeah, six-hour drive from Phoenix. Yeah, exactly. Yep, that's lovely. Anytime you're heading west, man. Let me know.

SPEAKER_00 39:59

I would definitely do that. And if you're coming to Phoenix, give me a shout now, man. I got a spare bedroom. I'm happy to lodge you.

Wrap-Up And Next Conversation

SPEAKER_01 40:05

Fantastic. Well, than, this has been an incredible conversation. I thank you for joining you joining us today. And I am serious, I'd like to pick this up sooner than later to keep going. Sure. Just give me a shout sometime. We'll put it on the calendar and make it happen. I love it. I love it. Well, this has been another episode of the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grumbine. I want to thank all of our listeners for making this show possible, and we will see you next time.