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Spring Into Wellness Retreat with Vee Martinez
Quiet can change a body. That’s where we start—stepping out of the city hum and into a garden where owls work the night shift and mornings begin with breath, not sirens. From that ground, we sketch a retreat designed for real life: simple practices, honest food, and space to explore healing without pressure or hype.
We sit down with healer and herbalist Vee Martinez to map the weekend: qigong at sunrise, a sound bath to reset the nervous system, and hands-on workshops that make health feel doable. V breaks down a rosemary infusion so anyone can make an antimicrobial, skin-friendly oil at home. Jill pairs that with a tour of permaculture basics—composting, crop rotation, companion planting—contrasted with plastic mulch, salt-based fertilizers, and the nutrient slide of industrial agriculture. The takeaway is direct: nutrient density starts with living soil, and you can taste and feel the difference.
We also open the door to thoughtful tech. Red light therapy earns a spot for its supportive effects on skin repair and mitochondrial function, plus gentle eye-rest routines with closed lids that mimic the best of sunlight. Add accessible gardening tips for small spaces, microgreens you can grow in a week, and a garden-to-table lunch that proves the point. The plan lands mid-May near the full moon at Gardens of Hope—family-friendly, accessible grounds, day passes or full-weekend camping, with a possible Temescal-style sweat to close for those who want a deeper finish.
If you’ve been craving a place to slow down, learn by doing, and meet a community that values care over quick fixes, this is your invitation. Subscribe for updates, share this with a friend who needs a reset, and tell us what workshop you want most—we’re shaping the weekend with your voice.
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Well, hello, and welcome back to the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Jill Grumbine, and today we've got a very special guest. We have V Martinez, and she's been on the show before. She is a healer and she practices a South Eastern modality. All right. I think I got that right. V welcome back. It's so good to have you back here.
SPEAKER_00:Thanks for having me, Joe. It's always a pleasure.
SPEAKER_02:It's so funny because you know, we just have these conversations and and I stop and think, most of the guests that we have on could be described in a dozen different ways. And so I always try to get clear. First, I try to make sure I get your name right. And then second, I try to, you know, describe you right. And then I gotta try to remember that. So that's we did all right.
SPEAKER_00:You nailed it, you nailed it.
SPEAKER_02:So last time we came when you came out here, um, we did a podcast. You talked a little bit about the work you do. And since that time, you've been out here a couple of times. And why don't you just share a little bit about your experience being out here in the gardens here at Gardens of Hope?
SPEAKER_00:Well, my experiences last time started just last night. Yeah. And right when I arrived, I felt like I settled. It's such a peaceful place that uh, you know, it's hard to just not almost feel that energy as soon as you get out of the car. Uh, this is a very calm and peaceful location. Right now we have a ghetto bird in the sky that I can hear. I hope you don't hear the helicopter right now, but usually you just don't hear even any planes or any cars, which is such a nice retreat from uh the city because that's where I live now. And it can be a little overwhelming to be listening to car sounds all the time. And that's kind of you know the only sound besides the occasional bird and the dog. Uh so just being here is is peaceful to say the least. Uh last night I walked around the garden and uh I found a place to settle for the night. I set up my tent. It was very uh very just meditative and peaceful. This morning I woke up and uh I did a little qigong and then um we did a little gardening, which I love to do. I trimmed this vine down that really needed it. Yeah. And and it just felt good to do that. Um it's something that for me it comes like not not only naturally, but it's a necessity almost for me to just not only be in a garden, but feel like I'm contributing towards one. I love it. I'm not sure where that comes from, but it's just kind of my nature.
SPEAKER_02:Good practices, that's where it comes from. I wish more people had that. Yeah. Oh, that's fantastic. I know that um, you know, when you talk about the the lack of noise, I know that I've got a number of people that come out here. One guy volunteers, he lives in Long Beach, comes out here like every other Sunday, and sometimes he'll take a walk around and shoot a little video, and that's one of the things he always talks about is you know, that it's peaceful, it's like you're in a different world. I don't think people realize how loud the city is. You know, um I know living out here and now spending most of my time here, I don't get to the city very often. So now I know when I go to the city, I notice how loud it is.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and it's not just, you know, it's how would I put this?
SPEAKER_02:Well, there's like a there's like a a background energetic almost. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And it's and it is like a hum almost. Even when it's quiet, you can hear kind of a humming.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Well, you think about it, there's all this electricity pulsing around. Definitely, there's Wi-Fi going through everything, there's there's all the the the feelings and thoughts of all these thousands or even millions of people, and out here you got trees and birds and a bunch of dogs, you know. So yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I heard an owl pretty sure last night flopping in the tree, which absolutely, but you do have like a a garden owl, which I find we have a number of them.
SPEAKER_02:We have barn owls, we have burrowing owls, we have screech owls, and we have great horned owls, right?
SPEAKER_00:And they're all regulars, like they just hang out. Oh, yeah, yeah. Typically on any given day.
SPEAKER_02:They keep our rodent population down. Yeah, that's they live on rodents, so that's good. Now, you came out here a few months back and harvested some rosemary. Why don't you uh tell us a little bit about that? Because that's something that like you don't can't go to somebody's garden and just go and harvest stuff that you can work with. So I think that's that's kind of an important little little tip because you're you're an herbalist as well. You you you make you make herbal concoctions.
SPEAKER_00:I do, yeah. And rosemary is one of my favorite ones to make lately, just because it's uh it's very easy to find, you know, like as an actual plant, it grows kind of like a weed. It'll try to do its thing, it'll take over. Um, so I like that it's very abundant and it has so many good benefits. It's naturally antimicrobial and naturally antifungal. Um, it also is very good for the skin and the hair. Um, and it can be used internally and externally. It's kind of like all around oil that it's uh so what I did with that batch was I cleaned it twice um and destemmed it. I dried it after that to make sure all the water was out. Um, but I didn't dry it enough to be like a dried, like dehydrated, right? Just dried it out in the sun. Um, and then I put it into batches of uh olive oil and um sealed them tight. I would shake them every day for about a month. This this last batch I have right now actually got lucky. I got three months worth of uh goodness before I uh I took a cheesecloth and I I took all the leaves out and then was left with just the oil. And so I I use that on a regular. Um I went through, you know, various episodes of skin conditions and throat stuff right now. I do use it as uh just shoot it straight into the back of my throat because I had a little cold and I'm still recovering from that. Um and it's nice for when it feels dry. I just do a couple drops in the back there and it and it's it just kind of soothes it. I use it regularly on my hair, and although you know it looks like I have a lot of grays, I've actually softened them down in the past like year that I've got it gets worse as you get older. You gotta start using that rosemary beer. Yeah, there we go. There we go. I know other people might not be able to tell, but I can tell on my own hair that I have uh the the grays have turned substantially less gray and they're softer. It's not like worse. Um, you know, so it's it's it's a fun product, and I'm super grateful that I came out here and you let me harvest from your beautiful garden that's uh very much less polluted than any other garden in a city.
SPEAKER_02:And when we first met, we met through a mutual friend who's also a healer. And you know, we have this sort of community of like-minded people that we have been growing. And that's what actually what this podcast is all about is helping to build community and and you know, we all have health and healthy living in common, that we want to be healthy, we want to help other people be healthy, and all the little tools that we have and big tools sometimes. And uh initially, when we started talking, you know, I'm I'm a guy that can make anything happen. I'm uh sure, let's let's do it. I'm all about you know you should and um you are you share a lot of that, which is great because when I find somebody that I don't blow up with my enthusiasm, um it it it's something that we can take a relationship and build something with it. And um you had talked about you know wanting to uh grow some different herbs out here, and we've talked about doing that, that'll likely happen in the future. Um and just recently we were talking about working together, collaborating on you know some different things to to help us both um bring awareness to of what we do to the community and and and build our community. And today you presented an idea that I've had as one of the things I want to do here. Now I've spent the last year and a half basically putting my body back together and you know uh removing an obstacle from my life, and and now we're just about to the finish line here. Maybe already crossed the finish line, and um now I'm able to start thinking about doing some of the things I wanted to do. And um, you presented the notion of a wellness retreat, and I really like that. Um, this property is suited immensely for wellness retreats. We have done a lot of um very private um small group retreats here, usually working with indigenous medicines and that sort of thing, but we're talking about a more um um secular event, I guess we could say, and and not dealing with um, you know, medicines that are powerful and require a a level of um commitment commitment and responsibility and and all of that, it's gonna be more laid back and and more um open to all different types of modalities. You know, when we when we're working with peyote or wachuma or ayahuasca or any of the other medicines we work with, it's a very narrow focus. And when you're doing that, you're doing that. Whereas we're gonna have a weekend where people can come out, probably start in the late morning, let people come out, find their camp spot if they're gonna camp, and um be able to, you know, stake their stake their 10 up and get that get that together. And then we'll be looking at um hosting a number of different workshops, having uh different um practitioners, different healers of all different types of modalities, and and maybe um somebody that is uh a Reiki master or a yoga practitioner, maybe they would want to talk to give a little talk about what what their practice is so that a group could come and learn about it, maybe decide if they wanted to get more involved, maybe do a uh, you know, like a group yoga workshop or or tai chi or qigong or any of these different there's so many different things that we could also incorporate some like tips on gardening, yes, how you can make things happen in the city very easily with like a little bit of compost or yeah tips for uh you know, just uh you know, the other day I was um storing my my dill in the fridge and somebody was watching me and they're like, Oh, that's how you make it last longer.
SPEAKER_00:I'm like, Yes. They generally last longer, yeah. So I what I basically do is trim the tips and then put it in uh in a cup of water and stick in the fridge and then put a bag over it, and it actually lasts a really long time. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, whatever.
SPEAKER_02:Distillery or any of those herbs will yeah, and generally it just keeps them hydrated.
SPEAKER_00:They look pretty sometimes you put them on a windowsill and it looks decorative, and it's like, oh no, I'm gonna trim that and eat it a little later, right?
SPEAKER_02:Absolutely. So yeah, the I think you know, we're just we're just bouncing the the idea around, but we're looking at doing this likely in the middle of May, which is one of the most beautiful times of the year out here. Um, peak of spring, everything is um blooming. Probably the mulberry trees will have berries on them. Uh, you know, there's there the vegetable garden will be full of great vegetables, there'll be fruit on some of the fruit trees. And, you know, when we're talking about a wellness retreat, we're we're talking about more than just um, you know, healing in the sense of um, you know, the healing arts. We're talking about food, we're talking about um meditation, relaxation, sound. You know, we'll we'll possibly be doing a sound bath, maybe have some uh definitely doing a sound bath.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I I think that's that would we could we can count on that, possibly doing a sweat lodge, and I think that would be awesome. Maybe like at the very end of the second day, that would be like the the crowning, you know, for those who want to stay for this, this is gonna be the final, the final act. Yeah, and um, you know, so I I think um talking about food, talking about, you know, gardens of hope is all about what we call therapeutic horticulture. Just what you were describing, being out in the garden, doing yard work.
SPEAKER_00:Would you would you want to host a workshop on on food?
SPEAKER_02:Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00:What are you thinking?
SPEAKER_02:Well, I mean, I like talking about, you know, we have vegetables that we grow, and I like to talk about living food as far as you know, people what people call food often is not. You know, when you think about, you know, gas station food and you know, Slim Jims wrapped up in a package, or ramen noodles, or things that are highly processed and you know might last uh 20, 30 years without changing, you know, people take a McDonald's Big Mac and they leave it in a box and they check on it a year later and it hasn't changed much, you know.
SPEAKER_00:Looks the same, yeah. That's insane.
SPEAKER_02:And so these are things that you know people consider food and they're not. There's no nutritional value to them. In fact, many of them are um carcinogens.
SPEAKER_00:Um would you be interested in uh maybe like demoing how to fortify your food or maybe demoing a dish?
SPEAKER_02:Well, I think that we'll put all that together. Um, I want to talk about um the idea of food that's grown without pesticides and and herbicides and and chemical fertilizers, um, food that's planted with intent, food that's nurtured with love, um, food that's you know grown in the the clean air and the clean sun, watered with clean water. Um we can talk about microgreens. We'll probably, you know, it'll probably be a fairly involved workshop that will maybe run for like a half an hour, a pretty decent chunk of information, and then we would transition from that into a meal. You know, maybe we do it right before lunch, and then we have a nice salad or or uh a dish that that we prepare with with fresh vegetables, and everybody can experience what we're talking about.
SPEAKER_00:Maybe even do a tour of the garden and show them like how it grows and what it looks like, and then we we come up out and that would be beautiful.
SPEAKER_02:I love it, yeah. And you know, we practice out here what they call permaculture, and the idea of permaculture is that you know you're farming in a sustainable way. So when you are are doing commercial agriculture, usually um they they plow under a field, which kills everything that's in the field, you know, the worms and the little animals and everything, the big old plows just kill it all, and it loosens the soil so that they can put seed down. All right, so they plow the field, they make rows or however they're gonna do their planting, they put the seeds down. A lot of times they put plastic right over the top of it. It's a mulch, keeps the weeds down, right? Well, it also bakes the ground, it also does all kinds of things that maybe aren't so good. And then we talk about microplastics. You know, what is that? Well, plastic breaks apart into little pieces all the time, and sunlight breaks down plastic. So all of these things are problematic. Um then they're watered. I don't know the source of the water, could be natural, could be, you know, with with all kinds of fluoride and chlorine and all the other stuff that comes, just depends on where they're at. Say it comes from a well. Okay, you got good groundwater. Well, after a short period of time, the soil gets depleted and they have to start feeding it. Usually they use salt-based fertilizers, and um they're quick to enter the soil. The plants take up the nutrients quickly, but they also wash out really quickly. So, what happens is all these nutrients get washed out, they leach into, they go into streams, they go into the ocean. You know, we they talk about all these algae blooms that are happening everywhere. Well, there's so much fertilizer in the water because of agricultural runoff. Of course, you're gonna have lots of algae, you know, it's that's got food for it. So these practices are not sustainable. Then they're all done. The soil's depleted, they have to do it again.
SPEAKER_00:And and usually it's a cycle of and then they're and it ends up being more work than uh than anything because in the long term it doesn't benefit too much as much as like you know, it would be like to rotate crops and change the because it's the absolutely and and degrades like the degradation part is the bigger thing because then the nutrients aren't getting to the food because the soil is actually not very nutrient dense.
SPEAKER_02:Well, that's just you know, you got you got two things. One, they're spraying herbicides and pesticides to keep the plants healthy, or they're using GMO seeds that have that stuff built into it. And second of all, the soil's depleted except for these salt-based nutrients they're doing. So what the end product in some cases is devoid of nutrition. Sometimes it at very least it has diminished nutrition. Yeah, and the plants grow big. You know, you get these big giant bell peppers, you get bigger than it, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Aspect of it is very important.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, they're growing a nice big container.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, they don't taste as like good as you know, something that was nutrient dense. You might be able to tell if it was just a single one, but if it was side by side, you'd be like, oh wow, 100%.
SPEAKER_02:And so the other the counterpoint to that is sustainable farming, um, permaculture. So the idea of that is composting, um, working with rotating crops, companion planting.
SPEAKER_00:You think rotating crops would be a good topic for a workshop as well.
SPEAKER_02:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And what we'll do maybe is I'll I'll throw up a whole bunch of possibilities and and maybe put up a poll and see who's interested in hearing about that. And then, you know, the ones we get the feedback on, I can I can talk about any of this stuff.
SPEAKER_00:So that's a good idea.
SPEAKER_02:You know, maybe we'll we'll do a little poll. Do a little poll, yeah, and see what people want to learn about.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Um, but we can demonstrate all this stuff here. This is all the things that we do here. 30 years, my wife and I have been on this property. Um, we started composting the second we got here. In 30 years, there's not a single leaf or branch or or weed that has left this property and been dumped somewhere else. It's all been turned back into soil.
SPEAKER_00:So that's beautiful.
SPEAKER_02:Over time, you know, you look out there in the hills, yeah, and it's you see how light the soil is, and it's rocky, and and a handful of things will grow, you know, the the sage and the brittle bush and some juniper and some wildflowers. Luckily, hopefully, we're gonna have a nice bloom here. I just saw the first poppies pop in, not here, but over in another hill. I think this year we're gonna have a great bloom. Oh man, yeah. We get another good rain.
SPEAKER_00:Is that uh hill accessible to hiking?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's it's private land, but hopefully we're gonna own it one day.
SPEAKER_00:That's as far as like a retreat day. Would that be something we can collectively do? Absolutely. That'd be awesome. I'd love to explore that.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. No, I I hike up there. That's actually where I go up to pray in the morning. Sometimes watch the sunrise. Yeah, it's a nice good stuff. So I think um I'm really excited about this. You know, Garden Pope has been around now for three years and a year and a half of it I've I've been spent, you know, putting myself back together, but we've still kept things moving. And always through this, uh I've had the idea or or the desire to have, you know, retreats. And we have been doing, you know, like I said, these medicine retreats. And we've had a few little private retreats. We've had um, you know, two, three people come and stay for a couple of days and and have a meditative retreat. Maybe they worked with some plant medicine or something on their own, but it was basically they had access to this. This is gonna be more structured. We're looking at uh, like I said, probably Saturday and Sunday. Um and it'll be probably starting, you know, 9, 10 in the morning and then overnight, and then go until probably maybe even dusk the next day. Um we're looking at bringing in um either a caterer or um providing food for the retreat uh participants.
SPEAKER_00:So I think providing might even be a combination of things, maybe.
SPEAKER_02:Maybe we'll we'll cater a couple of meals and then we'll we'll we may host. I don't know.
SPEAKER_00:We'll we'll I think some lunch can be can be pretty easy, and I think I mean either we could talk about it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, we'll figure it out. Yeah, but but it'll be something where somebody can come and be in charge of food. And I'm looking at having like a menu where somebody could just come for Saturday and deal with all the offerings that we have for Saturday, and we'll have, you know, maybe we'll have three or four workshops, maybe we'll have um some entertainment, we'll have a meal, we'll have um what I'm thinking about offering is uh definitely a workshop.
SPEAKER_00:The topic is undetermined. Um, I would love to offer qigong in the morning on either Saturday or Sunday or both.
SPEAKER_02:I like it.
SPEAKER_00:Uh, I would love to offer some light therapy. I have this amazing um and for red light. I know.
SPEAKER_02:I just got to do a session earlier today. I love it. I think red light therapy is powerful stuff. So with with the cancer that I was I've just overcome, um, I was working with an uh an IR sauna that connected to ozone. I've even used a friggin' heat lamp for chicken um hatching chickens, you know, and just put that on, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Nice.
SPEAKER_02:And and nowadays, you know, the the equipment you have is much more technologically advanced than my little heat lamp. But the idea is the same, though, that that these certain frequencies of light have healing properties. And the way I understand it is they can help to regenerate um wound healing, they can um um condition and and um help the skin to repair. Um, they even go so far as to stimulate mitochondrial um activity and um great for the eyes.
SPEAKER_00:We don't realize how much uh the sun, I mean, this is it's it's a light that basically mimics the really good properties of the sun. Good stuff. You know, the sun, you know, in our environment is a bit polluted right now, and that's an understatement. Um, so the benefits we get from the sun are a little different than we would have gotten many years ago. And so I feel like what this light does is mimic those uh good properties of the sun, and and our eyes can really benefit from sun therapy. And I don't, I think that's the topic that's untouched. So maybe that might be a topic I could talk about. But but yeah, so like having your eyes closed with this light, um, it penetrates the light and actually gets some vitamin D going into your eyeballs. Like people use sunglasses, you know, to get the light out, but it kind of makes you squint. Yeah. But uh we don't realize that there's many um exercises we can do for our eyes to not only regenerate our vision, but uh, you know, help us feel better like internally. Absolutely. So so that's one of the things that I really like about the light.
SPEAKER_02:Well, it's hard to say definitively what I think it did for me. I know that I felt better after sitting with it for 20 minutes. So that much I can definitely say, and I believe it does help. I I I've spent a lot of time using that. I use Steam Sauna, but if I had an IR sauna, I'd be using it as well. I'd be alternating. So one day I'll get an IR sauna, but I really love this red light therapy, and um I think more and more people are learning about it. They've got all different um tools now from blankets to you know mats and pads, and but you've got a a pretty heavy-duty device that you're working with that's got um uh really bright lights. You can see them right through your eye, or you know, even with my eyes closed, you can you can see the light coming through.
SPEAKER_00:So that's that's a great product, and I'm excited to share with the community.
SPEAKER_02:And we have a few people, like I said, we just really agreed to do this today. So yeah, the listeners here. I'm gonna publish this today, too. So actually, people will be able to hear in real time the genesis of this event. We're looking at uh probably doing it. I think we were saying the 17th of May. Um, but the second or third week of May, the closest to the full moon we're looking at doing. Uh, usually the weather is just beautiful. Um the stream will still be flowing, the trees will be in full regalia.
SPEAKER_00:16th, 17th.
SPEAKER_02:So I guess yeah, this is the 17th, 17th, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:That would be a cool weekend because the previous weekend would be Mother's Day, I guess.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and I don't think we have anything booked that we can. I think we have the 23rd, 24th, and the second and third already booked. So I think that might be perfect. So we're gonna we're gonna talk about what are you thinking of calling it? Well, I think we came up with uh uh like a spring into wellness, spring into wellness, yeah. I like that. Yeah, spring into wellness at the gardens of hope, and um that's that's our initial offering with that. I think I like it.
SPEAKER_00:You're gonna you know a lot of amazing practitioners that that could, I think, um definitely be interested in something like this.
SPEAKER_02:I'm gonna be uh courting them. We're gonna turn on the juice, see what kind of game I got.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, get a meeting with all of us and uh so we can get the ball rolling and I think so and make it happen.
SPEAKER_02:And we'll be able to uh do updates on this as we're progressing. Um we did the Holistic Health Symposium a year ago, October. We did a number of episodes and had um, you know, some of the speakers and and uh uh people that were presenting workshops as guests, and we talked about their stuff, and that event went off really well. And I think this is gonna be um not a symposium, not a fair, so it's not gonna be a public event. This is gonna be an event that people are gonna register. Um, they'll have an opportunity to select menu items or take the whole day or both days. Yeah, and so you know, somebody could just come just for a couple of workshops if they wanted to, and and you know, we could we could take them in that way. But I think for the most part, I I think we're gonna have people that are gonna be camping one night.
SPEAKER_00:Ideally, for the most part, it'd be cool if if everyone did the whole experience of two days.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because there will be some evening activities that I think will be really great. And um, this is a family event, so this is you know, from youngsters to oldsters, everybody's welcome. The property um is accessible, wheelchair, walker.
SPEAKER_00:We're gonna have water and porta potties. Um, showers aren't gonna be available. No, but you're camping for one night. But it's one night camping for sure.
SPEAKER_02:It's you absolutely, and and possibly, I would say, even probably, we'll be doing uh a Temescale sweat lodge at the end of the event. And so, anyways, I think this is exciting. This is something I've been wanting to do. You know, we've done on a on a little different scale and definitely a smaller scale, um, or on a medicine focused scale. But this is a general wellness event that I'm really thinking that the community that we're building is gonna receive well, and I think it's gonna help to build the community. So if you're interested in learning about this, reach out. Um, I'll be posting this stuff on the Gardens of Hope Instagram. Um, we'll be talking about it.
SPEAKER_00:We're gonna uh I'm creating a fire today, so we'll we'll blast that today as well.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, absolutely. So this is exciting. Well, V, I'm really happy. I mean, this came from I'm gonna pop by to go pick up some products to let's talk about let's hang out for a day.
SPEAKER_00:We've talked about it before.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but we went from talk about it, we've got a tentative date. I'm gonna I'm gonna be reaching out to uh some of my healers, and um I believe the next time we do this, we'll have a lot more um elements that are that are nailed down. All right, anything else you want to leave our our listeners with?
SPEAKER_00:Uh thanks so much for having me again and and um you know leave the listeners. I I do like to, you know, say that I I volunteer a lot of my time. I I mean how do I word this? Um I'm I'm going off of like one of my yoga instructors that always like leaves you with like a really good bit of of information. It's uh it's actually a healing collective of of people where healers come in and they do a short amount of treatments on uh on people as they also get yoga, um, a guided yoga experience. And at the end, um, she mentions how healers are there um to give people a little bit of their healing modalities so that the people can go out and then do good in the world.
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00:Um, yeah, we hope that uh you benefited from just listening to this podcast and learned a little more about uh how to make the world a better place.
SPEAKER_02:And if you're interested in learning more and participating with an amazing community, stay tuned. The spring into wellness retreat is gonna be coming your way. All right, V. Well, thank you again. There will be more to come. And I want to thank all the listeners for making this show possible, and we will see you next time.
