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Reading The Signs: Purpose In Motionn with Bishop Kevin Foreman
Some moments feel like they were made just for you. That’s where we begin: with signs that don’t demand worship, but invite movement. Joe shares a mysterious “divine download” memory and Bishop Kevin reframes it as a signal that did its job. From there we trace a throughline of purpose: how to recognize direction, how to respond without getting stuck, and how to keep evolving even when the road dips into a valley after a peak.
We ground transformation in something you can hold: a butterfly garden. Watching a chrysalis split open makes struggle look different. Kevin urges us to step back from our lives like observers in a garden, celebrate what’s growing, and accept that cycles repeat at higher levels. The key is rhythm. Celebrate and pivot. To drive it home, we unpack a sharp parable: Blockbuster vs. Netflix. Stay in the party too long and you miss the future; iterate and you lead it. That mindset applies to health, faith, leadership, and relationships.
Music becomes the universal language in this story. Kevin walks us through his self-taught journey from drums to songwriting and the message behind his favorite track, Already Won. We explore how melody reaches places words can’t, including one guest’s recovery from a severe mental health battle. Then we widen the lens to ministry at scale: a multicultural, multi-generational, hybrid church that measures impact by changed lives, not busy schedules. Thousands of faith decisions, meals and toys distributed, a leadership network across the seven spheres of society, and a digital reach that proves a phone can be a sanctuary.
The most gripping moment is quiet: a staff member planning to end her life prays for a sign; minutes later, Kevin feels an odd urge to drive to the campus and unknowingly interrupts the plan. That theme repeats daily in smaller ways—short videos, timely messages, answered DMs—that give someone one more day. We close with a practice you can use right now: pray to see the signs and respond to them. If this conversation spoke life into you, subscribe, share it with someone who needs a sign today, and leave a review to help more people find it.
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Well, hello, and welcome back to the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, and today we have back with us a very special guest, Bishop Kevin Foreman. We had a great uh conversation back in September, and we talked a lot about transformation, uh incredible health journey, um choices, and all sorts of things. And you know, Kevin, I felt like uh we just barely scratched the surface. So I'm really glad you were able to make some time to join us again. How you been?
SPEAKER_02:Oh, listen, been amazing and glad to be with you today. I'll tell you what, it's uh it's always great when uh conversations go well and you're able to have follow-up and what have you. And so, again, as I said before, thanks for having me. Big salute to you for what you do and and uh the conversations you're having. And I think conversations are catalysts for change. And so I appreciate you for doing that. And I agree, we just scratched the surface. We had so much we could have got into.
SPEAKER_00:You know, it's it's really amazing this this podcast. You know, you talked the last time about your uh divine download where you were you know looking for answers, and all of a sudden a a Netflix movie comes up and you're watching it, and it was like just perfectly tailored for you. And then you tried to go and find it again, it wasn't there. And I I've met a number of people who've had sort of similar experiences where they were searching and and and asking God for, you know, give me an answer, and all of a sudden it's like a special channel comes on just for them. And then they go back and try to go share it with somebody and who knows where it is. And it's amazing how God works, you know. I've had personal experiences where God spoke to me, you know, in in a language that's like it's words, but it's not words, you know, it's it's in your it's in your heart, it's in your spirit, and you know, it's so powerful when you when you reach out and connect to the divine source, which is God, of course, and and and you make that connection, like you can't let go of that. You can't ever go back to I don't understand, I don't, I don't know, I don't feel, I don't trust, I don't anything. Like you're stuck in a place where you're like, Yeah, I'm connected and and I got a purpose and I better step up and do my job.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. You know, it's it's there's a phrase that says he's the God of miracles, signs, and wonders. And so I think the signs are are the most important thing that you know, a sign is to point you in a direction. It's not the answer, it's to point you to an answer. It's not the destination, it's to point you to a destination. It's not where you're going, it's to get you where you're going. And so when you view it that way, it's sort of like how you mentioned uh, you know, I could went back, couldn't find it. And others will go back and they're trying to share it and they can't share it, or they're trying to communicate to someone what happened and they can't quite articulate it well. It's kind of like driving. Once I've gone past that sign, um, there's no need for me to go back past that sign. I've gone past that sign. And so I think for many times in life, the reason you can't duplicate it is because the sign did what it was supposed to do. It got you past it.
SPEAKER_00:I totally agree. I think sometimes we get stuck in a in a piece of a process and we keep looping back, trying to because you know, it was powerful or it was beautiful or it was something special about it. And so we want to go back and relive it, recreate it, you know, watch that rerun, feel it again. But that's not how journeys are, you know, like you're saying, you you you keep going, and you know, we're born, we live, we die, and and that's a beautiful journey. And after we die, we have uh an eternity of of of of ongoing journey. And uh I I think that getting stuck is where so many other problems happen. And you know, last time we talked about this amazing uh uh weight loss transformation that you had, and and we both shared some of that, but yours was a lot more uh uh pronounced than mine was. And um, you know, you talked about transformation and uh you used the butterfly um yeah, yeah, evolution. And what's interesting, since that time, you know, my wife and I have a uh nonprofit called Gardens of Hope, and we use our botanical garden to help people find healing and and you know, mental, physical, spiritual healing. And um just very recently we met a woman who's teaching us how to grow a butterfly garden. And most literally, I have I'm looking across the way at a table of a butterfly that just came out of a chrysalis, and we've been watching it grow in this little thing, and you know, you get a caterpillar and you give it what it needs to eat, and next thing you know, it's hanging up in the top, and it makes this little cocoon, and then sometime later, you know, weeks or months, even all of a sudden, this amazing creature comes out of this thing, and so much like us, you know, we go through these struggles, we go through these journeys, and um you know, you get hit with this difficulty. And if you do it right, you know, you go to God and say, Hey, I need your help. And somehow, some way you you you get this direction or this inspiration, and you you do this thing, whatever it is, everybody's got their thing. And if you do it right, you know, you come out as this transformed individual, what do you have for all that?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you know, but I I think one for you to be able to see it, uh I think is awesome because talking about it is one thing, seeing it in nature is another thing, seeing it up close and personal, I think gives it a totally different uh view, totally different experience, totally different understanding, because you get to see uh in real time this this process isn't just a theory, it's that process. And you get to see um that journey. And I think I think sometimes the challenge as humans that we can have is because we're in the journey, we don't always see our journey. So sometimes one of the best things to do is to step back, just like you're able to watch this, step back, watch your own journey, watch your own life, celebrate your progress, celebrate where you've come to, but then also celebrate the fact that there's still more ahead of you. Like this isn't the end. If you got a pulse, there's still a plan, there's more to do, there's more life ahead of you. And what I also love about it is, you know, as humans, we're in a constant, we're in a constant evolution where you're gonna go back through that same cycle in a different area of life. You may go back through that same cycle in the same area of life, just bigger. Um, and I think recognizing that it helps take away some of the feelings of frustration or anger or depression or anxiety or worry, um, some of those negative emotions that don't really service. You're able to overcome those negative emotions when you recognize this is normal, this is part of my journey. I've done this before, I'm doing this again, but I'm doing it at a higher level, at a bigger level, whatever that might be.
SPEAKER_00:I love it. I love it. You know, it's um it's incredible how wherever you are, there's this amazing experience that you can have, you can learn so much, and then you don't even see what's in front of you. You don't see how high you can go or how far you can go. And uh each time you make a step, like you last time you talked about sometimes you get up on a peak and you have a celebration, but you don't necessarily remember or realize that there's gonna be a valley in front of you if you keep walking. Yep. And that's uh it's an important, it's an important lesson because you know it's it's good to celebrate, it's good to feel good about accomplishing and and and looking back on, hey, wow, look where we come. I imagine if you take a moment and look back on your on your life and and all the accomplishments that you've had, man, you could have a good long party about it all, but it doesn't seem to me you spend a whole lot of time there.
SPEAKER_02:No, you're right about it. I you know what? Uh no, I will be honest. One of the areas that um, and I don't live with regret, but I do live with a healthy sense of um what would you do different? And I think that's a very important distinction because I think regret leads to negative places and spaces mentally. Shoulda, woulda, coulda. You did the best you could based on the information you had. One of the things I would do different is exactly what you just said. It's in my celebration, celebrating the fact a friend of mine uh was just visiting with me, and uh he said, you know, you you you don't often talk about all of what you've done, what you have, what you've built, what you've accomplished. You don't talk about that. I said, you know, that's a good point. I said, that's because I've just moved on to get it to do it more. I just moved on to accomplishing more. I've just moved on to impacting more lives or whatever it might be. Um and so I can admit, one of the areas that I do need to do, uh uh uh let me say it this way, that I'm constantly learning to do a better job of is in those celebrations. Because I think I've done a pretty good job of learning how to pivot and move on to the next, the next thing, the next, the next thing to conquer. And so um, to your point, right? I don't stay there too long. I I'm typically, that was great. Okay, now we gotta go do this. And what I what I should do and what I am learning to do better is okay, great. Let's sit in this for a half a day. Let's enjoy this. Now let's move on. Because ultimately, life is a collection of experiences. Um, that's it. It's a collection of memories. Um, the reality is none of it we can take with us when we exit this earth in terms of material things. Um, you can't take people with you when you exit the earth. What you can take is the impact that you left while you were in the earth. And so I think at the end of the day, um, you know, for me, I'm learning to constantly celebrate more. Um, but I think I have, I won't say perfected because I'm always a student, I'm always striving to get better. But I but I have, I have, I have, uh, I think I've pretty well figured out how to pivot and move on to the next thing. And I think sometimes it's the inverse for most people. They sit in a celebration for years, but they haven't pivoted and moved on to the next thing. I think a great example of that you could look at if we were to use a business example, uh, would be Blockbuster. You remember Blockbuster?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, Blockbuster.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I definitely remember. Yeah, you remember this.
SPEAKER_02:So, Blockbuster, you know, the story goes, of course, Netflix, the juggernaut that it is today. The story goes that at one point Blockbuster had an opportunity to buy Netflix, and I think it was like 40 million bucks. Um, and Blockbuster had been the juggernaut, and they were sitting on the success, and they were Blockbuster. You know, what is anybody else ever going to do to us?
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_02:And today, there's one left, I believe it's in Alaska. There's one Blockbuster left, and Netflix is, you know, this juggernaut, this multi-billion dollar multinational operation.
SPEAKER_00:Getting ready to take over some major studios.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly. You know, like an$80 million, or excuse me, billion dollar, be it and for Warner Discovery. But the point is this is that um Blockbuster spent too much time celebrating. So they couldn't pivot. And I think that's a lesson for everybody. Who do you want to be, Blockbuster or Netflix?
SPEAKER_00:100%. I agree. I'd like to take a second, and you know, we didn't talk about a lot of your accomplishments or or even if you don't want to call it that, is is the places that you've explored and the ways that you touch people, and one of them is music. Yeah, and we don't think we even mentioned music on the last conversation, but it's been a big old part of your journey, your experience, and what you've shared with people. Why don't you tell us a little bit about it? I think music is one of the ways that um God really touches us, you know. It doesn't need words necessarily, just the sound and the you know, those notes are just so powerful. Why don't you tell us a little bit about it?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you know, so I I got you know, so from from the last episode we did, the the the joke is I came out of my mom's room with a Bible and a briefcase. So I had this affinity towards business and spirituality. Um and those two things always worked in tandem for me. And it's a biblical principle. Some people see those as separate, they're not. Biblically speaking, there's a scripture, Revelation 5:10, that says God makes us kings and priests, spiritual and successful in one person. Um, and we see this concept from this guy named Meltezede. But the point is this um is that that's just I always had this affinity. But with that, I also had this love for music. And interestingly enough, I tried several different instruments and didn't like them in uh at all. I trombone, hated it. My stepfather played it, that's why I tried it, hated it. Tried trumpet, hated it. Tried the alto sax, loved it because at that time I think Clinton was president and he played sax. And so, you know, uh, or I remember Clinton playing sax on like the Jay Leno show or something like that. Yeah, yeah. And so uh because I was a kid when he was president, but nonetheless, uh, you know, I remembered that. And so as a result of that, I ended up um, you know, thinking that I liked that. I was playing alto sax. I'm like, yeah, you know what? I don't really, I don't really like this. And so um I eventually um got a drum set because a friend of mine, he and I were very competitive, and he was an actual musician, he could play, and he got a drum set. So I went home and said, I want a drum set. They said, Well, you can't even play drums. I said, but I'm gonna learn. I said, just like all the other instruments. I said, no, but this is different. And it was different. I got that drum set, I learned how to play, taught myself how to play. And um, from there, I taught myself how to play keys and uh what have you. And I was eventually inducted into the Colorado Gospel Music Hall of Fame. And uh and so big leap there.
SPEAKER_00:You go from taught myself a few things, and whoop, there I go, right?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, to the Hall of Fame, which I didn't even know we had one until I had the pleasure of being inducted into it. And uh for music, and I wrote all of our songs um that we've released um that folks can get at bishopforman.com. Amazing music, too. It's really inspirational. My favorite of all the songs I've written is this song called Already One, W-O-N. And it talks about how every battle we face, it's ultimately already won. We're we're walking out the journey, but the battle has already been won. I wrote that song, um, and all of our music has done amazingly well, and uh it's it's been received so well. And uh, you know, I it it's uh it's it was a great, it was a great accomplishment. And it's one of those things where I and I'll be honest, I haven't touched uh songwriting in the last couple of years as we've been in this transitional period, uh moving our headquarters from Denver to Atlanta. But it is one of those things that it's on my, I always have a list, uh I say a list of things that are pending, and it's on my list because I've I've gotten some things because what I'll literally do during a service, I'll just write a song on the stage. So actually, let me correct that statement. While I have not sat in a studio and wrote songs, every Sunday I'm writing a song. Like literally, I'll just randomly make something up on the stage, mic in hand, whatever the flow is with the musicians, we'll literally write write songs right there on the spot. So let me let me correct that because that's not accurate. Um, but again, that see, that kind of shows you my mindset. I'm so fast moving on to the next thing. I didn't even recognize you know, didn't even recognize that that's how I was doing that. But nonetheless, uh love it. I think music is universal. It speaks to everybody, speaks to anybody, regardless of your race, regardless of your background, regardless of even your musical preferences. There are some songs that just the lyrics of it, just the flow of it, the chords that are used can invoke a level of connectivity, a level of emotion, a level of depth that um does something that often maybe conversation couldn't do. Um, maybe even a presentation couldn't do, but music has the ability to do it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, music can touch you in a way that that I don't know that anything else can. I had a guest that had a major mental disorder, and she was talking about how music was the tool that she was able to start to find her way out of it. And uh, you know, it's really powerful. You know, I'd like to hear a little bit about your ministry as well. Obviously, that's a big part of of who you are and what you do, probably the biggest part, I would imagine. Yeah, talking about um, you know, moving and shaking and and changing. And uh why don't you tell us a little bit about the where you come from and and where you where you are and where you're going with it?
SPEAKER_02:Got it. Yeah, so you know, I um I um you you're right. Number one, the ministry is a huge part, it it dominates my time. Um, but I love it. I mean, the impact that we've had in the lives of people um is is fantastic. We measure it. Uh, we have something we call harvest at a glance, and uh we're actually getting ready to change the name at the top of the year to History Makers Church, which just reflects the next level, the next phase of what we're doing. But um, but in that, um, you know, the ministry, it's multicultural, multi-generational. We reach a lot of what we call unchurched or dechurched people. So um for those unfamiliar with those terms, unchurch just means somebody never grew up in church.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_02:D-church just means somebody that grew up in church, but for whatever reason, disconnected, fell away. So we reach a lot of people in those two categories. And so that hence the term the people's bishop, because uh I I just I connect with people right where they're at, regardless of where they're at, to get them closer, to go further, faster in their relationship with God. And so um that's really the premise of what we do. So out of the ministry, uh, you know, we've so many amazing things that have happened. We just crossed the 12,500 mark of people who have made decisions of faith uh and become Christians. Uh, this year alone, we've done, we're knocking at the door of 1,800 just this year. Um, and uh we've given almost a million dollars in emissions domestic and abroad. Almost 28,000 toys we've given away after this Christmas season, it'll exceed the 28,000 mark. We've adopted thousands of families. Uh, we've given away, you know, over uh a quarter of a million pounds of food. At one point we ran Denver's or Aurora, the suburb of Denver, the largest food bank. Uh, we ran that largest location. So we're all about changing lives. We have the Bible college where people can earn associates through doctoral level degrees. We have the leadership network that pours into leaders, not just church leaders, but business leaders, um, any seven of the seven spirits of society, art and entertainment, business, education, government, media, um, church, and uh family. So, you know, it keeps it keeps me, I won't say busy, because to me, busy is like being on a treadmill. I gotta tell you something. Yesterday, it was the first day I typically don't like doing in-gym cardio. I don't like it at all. So the last time I've done in-gym cardio, you know, like an elliptical or treadmill, I don't like it because mentally I don't like the concept of putting out the energy, but I didn't go anywhere. I don't like the I don't like the construct in my mind. But in Atlanta, it's been so cold that it was in the low 40s yesterday. And so I did my first in-gym cardio yesterday. And uh, and so I was reminded, I was like, this isn't bad, but I was reminded of why I don't like it. I say, because this is, you know, it associates to me, it connects to busy, where you're in one place, you're doing, um, you're putting out energy, but you're not going anywhere. So I don't like to say busy, uh, um, but it keeps me very productive. Every day is a journey. Every day it's amazing, you know, you're you're you're connecting with people all across America, around the world, because we're a hyper church, not just in buildings, but online. And the majority of people connected to us have actually never stepped foot in a building. Um, our database is well over 16,000 people who are connected, and the majority of them have never stepped in a building.
SPEAKER_00:You know, and I I think that's important. You know, people connect the idea of church to some sort of a structure, and that wasn't what Jesus was talking about at all. He was talking about his family, his body, uh the body, and that's it, you know. So whether you're in a building or in a garden or talking online or or communicating however you are, that's that's the power of the church right there.
SPEAKER_02:Right, right, absolutely. Yeah. And and to see that, I gotta be honest, that was one of those evolutions for me because I was I was very, I was a very big believer, and and in many ways, still am to some extent, in the power of gathering physically.
SPEAKER_01:Sure.
SPEAKER_02:And so almost to the point to where when we started, we we got into technology pretty early with streaming and apps and all that. And so for us, it became a thing where we were like, okay, we got to do this and we're gonna do this pretty early. We're gonna do this pretty, pretty, you know, pretty, you know, uh avant-garde at the time when streaming used to cost, you know, 1,500 bucks a month, 2,000 bucks a month. Of course, now most of this is it's it's very cheap. Um, depending on how you do it, you can even do it free. Uh but um that was then. Um, so we were doing that, uh, but I still believed um in the power of people being in the building. And then the pandemic hits. And because of our nature, we just kept flowing. In fact, we grew at an amazing rate during that time.
SPEAKER_00:But um actually people were kind of stuck in a place and they were looking for uh a connection, they were looking for for a way to find some fulfillment in a place where in a time when there wasn't a lot of that to be had. Right.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, exactly. And you know, you you saw instantly the power of a phone, the power of an internet connection, the power of a video. You saw that instantly. And I think what that really did um was just show me another way. So then even when we opened the doors back up uh during the pandemic, we noticed some, you know, uh easing. Um, Denver was, of course, we were in Denver primarily at the time. And Denver, um, we noticed that it was our number one streaming audience. And so, in seeing this, we were able to say, okay, we sit we're seeing this amazing streaming audience. We're seeing um these amazing numbers of people's lives being impacted. And for us, um, it really began, you know, this evolutionary process of saying, you know, we're a hybrid church, um, which many in practice are. But I looked at it almost like two different business models. Walmart is a brook and mortar with a website.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_02:Amazon is an online business with regional distribution. And uh, you know, the second, and whether people like Walmart or Amazon, it's not the point, it's just the model that I'm going to. Uh, the second is the power. I mean, listen, people are gonna be listening to this podcast across America, around the world, who have never, they've never met you in person, never met me in person, but their lives are being impacted. And so I think there's a lot, um, there's so much to learn and to gain from that. Um, and and seeing that. Because I used to have a very traditionalist view that you gotta get in the building, you gotta get in the building, and and and there is value to that. But at the same time, there is the experience that people are able to have right there in the living rooms, right there online, right there watching, um, that uh we see it because it's just as powerful as people who step foot in the building.
SPEAKER_00:I agree. And I'd like to touch on this because you know, as as you broadcast and you're reaching this broad audience of many people that you'll never meet, or or maybe you will, maybe you won't, but you're gonna you're gonna touch people right that you that you're not aware of. Right. Absolutely. And it seems to me that you know you've gotten that as a an important element of your ministry because you know that's that's what Jesus did. He walked from place to place and talked to everybody that came around, and and you know, his whole point was to to touch all the people he could while he was here. And and you're walking in a similar way, except for you got technology now in a way that wasn't around a couple thousand years ago. And yet I get the sense, based on what I've read about you and what I've heard, is that you have a very personal and intimate relationship with anybody who comes near you, and and you're you're not hard to reach, and you're not um somebody needs to tug your ear a little bit. It seems that seems that you always have that to offer. I suspect that there's been some amazing interactions and um interventions and things that you've experienced. I like it if you could share at least one of those with our audience about somebody who you just you didn't see it coming and uh somehow, you know, there was a giant impact.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you know that's an amazing question. Um, so many, because um, and and I don't say this just to click out a cliche or just you know, certainly not out of self-organized, but literally every day we read the testimonies, we read the praise reports of lives that are impacted. I'll tell you one story that often uh it's a similar theme that happens. Uh, because everybody goes through trauma, drama uh in life in different ways. People handle it in different ways. And uh to your point, I strive to be the kind of person, despite how full my schedule is, despite how full life is, um, to make sure that, you know, to me, you can never be too busy for people. Because if you're too busy for people, like this is the business of people.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_02:And so, you know, why have a platform if you're not gonna connect with people? Sometimes people will send messages, and it takes me a little bit to get back to it. You know, on Instagram alone, I get two, three hundred messages, often close to four or five hundred messages a day. So it takes me a while to get back. And people, I see people's responses. I'm shocked you responded. I'm shocked you even got the message. And uh, I listened to that and I think, you know, you know, well, there that's the difference. You're dealing with the people's bishop. You know, I want to connect. But the thing that often comes to mind are thoughts when people are in deep places of despair. And sometimes that despair can turn into thoughts of self-harm, not just ideations, but actions. And uh, one of the stories that actually stands out to me the most, um, this is years ago, there was one of our staffers, and she um was um, you know, she was uh going through some things internally in her mind and what have you. And those things really began to uh weigh down on her. And uh, and so one day, um I, you know, I they've been gone from the campus for a while, and I got this urge to just go to the campus. It was the weirdest thing because I generally, you know, just wouldn't go. And if I would go, I would typically have a staff or someone with me. And so I went and I happened to see your car back there. And um, yeah, I was like, what are you doing here? And you know, and so there's a conversation, and oh, I'm good, sir. Everything, you know, was fine, everything's good, everything's great. And um, you know, I didn't think much of it. I just thought it was a weird thing. Um, and this just goes to show you the power of of what we started this conversation with of signs, and so um I didn't think anything else of it. I just thought, okay, well, maybe there's a reason. I said there's a reason I came here. I don't know what that reason is, but there's a reason I'm here because I got from my home, drove all the way over here. Bye-bye. And I have no clue why I'm here. I have no reason to be in this building. It wasn't until a couple of years later, when I was listening to a testimony video of hers, that we found out that that evening she had just written her goodbye letter to her family and her daughter, and that night she was planning to take her life.
SPEAKER_01:Whoa.
SPEAKER_02:She was planning to close to the campus, there was the you know, like the light rail um type of a stape stop. She was planning, according to her, she was planning to jump in front of that, and that was gonna be the end of her life. And she prayed and said, God, I don't, you know, essentially she didn't think her life was worth living anymore. And uh, and that unless she got a sign that that was gonna be her last night on the earth. I have no clue of that. And after she prays that, who pulls up? I pull up. Um and I didn't know that. And I think that's the powerful thing. Now, that theme, I see that happen all the time. I have people who say, I was just going through the day and I was watching your video. I get I get approached by people all the time, everywhere. I was in the gym one day. Guy walks over to me, and um, you know, he's he walks over, he turns his phone towards me, and he shows me a video of me. And they're like, Yeah, that's me. And uh, and he says, uh he says, Oh my God, he says, Listen, I just moved here from, I believe it was Illinois. I just moved here to here, meaning Atlanta from Illinois. He says, uh, he maybe was in his 60s, 70s, something like that. He said, uh, you have no clue how every day I literally can't wait to see the video you release, to see what you have for me. He then shows me his phone and begins showing me all the videos I've already said. And he said, I was going through a rough, I believe it was a uh uh situation with his career, with his job. And similar story. He said, You know, I was just over and I was done. I just thought life was over. He said, but I started listening to your videos, I started connecting with you, following you. Again, a gentleman I had never ever seen before and uh met before. That happens all the time. One lady, again, at the gym. A lot of this happens at the gym because I spend the most time in one place outside of, you know, outside of you know, environment, you know, environments, the office or whatever. But um uh and a lady almost falls off the treadmill and says, You're the TikTok guy. I I said that. She says, Oh my god, she says, You you literally have no clue how what you do. Uh she said, I I wait on pins and needles, just waiting to see what you're gonna release. It's the theme of lives where you don't know who needed the small thing you said that felt like, okay, I can keep living, I can keep going. Those stories literally happen every day. And I'm not desensitized to them, but every single day, there's at least five to ten of those stories every single day.
SPEAKER_00:I love that. Well, you're clearly living the life that you're intended to, and I'm I'm grateful for that. Um, is there a single thought that you'd like to leave our listeners with today? I know, like always, I suspect, and I hope to have you back again. We've got Oh, I'd love to. You connected, you definitely full show and you know, scratched a little bit more, but uh so much more to talk about. Um, but is there a thought that you'd like to leave our listeners with today?
SPEAKER_02:You know, I I think what I would say is this. Um, you know, a lot of what we talked about today, um, we started the conversation with signs. And I think for every person listening, um God's given you signs and they're all around you. Um and I think one of the best things to pray is a simple prayer. God, let me recognize, let me see the signs. The signs are pointing me in the right direction, they're pointing me to the right people, right places, right things, right ideas. Let me recognize the signs. Let me not only recognize the signs, but then let me respond to the signs. Let me take the action the sign is saying to take. And I think my life is full of that, where I've I've seen the signs and I've responded. And I'll be honest, I've not always responded quickly, I've not always responded accurately, but what I strive to do is to respond. And I say to everybody, look around you, respond, because heaven is speaking. We just have to respond.
SPEAKER_00:I love that. That's beautiful. And uh, Kevin, it's been an absolute treat to share some more time with you. I hope to do it again soon. Um, yeah, and of course, how does anybody get a hold of you? I know there's people waiting on their and on their fingers, pins, and needles like, how the heck do I get a hold of this guy?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, just bishopforeman.com. That's the website that'll get you connected. And then on all social platforms at BishopForeman. And if you're listening to this, I'd love to know that something spoke life into you. So please shoot me a message. You'll get a response. It might not be for a couple days, but you will get a response from me. Let me know that it uh encouraged you, spoke life to you, built you up in some way, edified you. But bishopforeman.com or on social at Bishop Foreman for all the uh social platforms. If you go to TikTok, make sure you look for the blue check on all my platforms. Look for the blue check. There's like a hundred fake profiles of me on TikTok. So I always like to say that to people because we get messages from people saying, Is this other than you? And I almost sometimes it's comical. I'm like, well, if you had to ask me if that's me, I think that tells you that it's not me. But you know, I just like people to know that because sometimes people just search it and sometimes I may not be the one that comes up for first things.
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SPEAKER_00:Excellent. Well, Kevin, thank you so much. Um, and uh just again, grateful that you're able to take some time with us today. And it's my pleasure. For all the listeners, this has been another episode of the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grumba. I want to thank all of you who are making this show possible, and we will see you next time.
