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He Chose To Live, Found Purpose, And Built A Safer Way To Hire Contractors
A whispered “he’s tombstone” in a silent hospital hallway became the pivot point. John Stewart Hill chose to stay, and that decision reshaped his life—and the way homeowners find trustworthy help. What began with a weak heart and a yellow legal pad turned into The Good Contractors List, a national network that vets pros with FBI-level checks and backs every job with a $25,000 guarantee.
We walk through John’s raw origin story—three divorces, no clear career, and prayers to disappear—until a cardiologist’s screen revealed arteries nearly blocked and a life on the brink. The promise he heard in that moment, to be given purpose, led him to build something the industry lacked: true accountability. Not another review site. Not a badge you can buy. A community where good contractors earn their place, and homeowners have real protection when things go wrong.
You’ll hear how he quit his sales job to avoid divided loyalties, how DFW grew through shared advertising, and why the national model focuses on lower fees and stronger local ecosystems. John explains collective authority marketing: when roofers, painters, HVAC techs, and plumbers all point clients to the same trusted hub, they create their own organic lead engine and raise the standard together. With over five billion dollars in work backed and only $127,000 paid out, the results speak to the power of careful vetting and clear consequences.
If you’re a homeowner, you’ll learn how to use the platform to hire with confidence—or refer a contractor you’d hand your keys to and earn a reward when they qualify. If you’re a contractor with integrity, you’ll see how joining the movement can grow your business without the grind of expensive leads. Subscribe, share this story with someone planning a project, and leave a review telling us what “good” looks like to you.
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Well, hello, and welcome to the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, and we've got a special guest today. His name's John Stewart Hill. And John has quite a story to share with us about uh a difficult time of his life and making uh something really amazing out of it. And I don't know that I need to go any deeper than that in uh in an intro with you, John. Welcome to the show. How are you doing today?
SPEAKER_00:I'm doing great. Thanks for uh having me on the show. I appreciate it.
SPEAKER_01:Well, it's my pleasure. You know, I love to talk to all different types of guests with all different types of stories, and you know, our guests are always interested in hearing about uh stories of overcoming, stories of transformation, stories of of accomplishing, stories of discovery, and all of these things. And I think you've got a a little bit of all of that to share with us today. This is a little bit. Why don't you tell us a little bit about how you how you came to where you're at?
SPEAKER_00:Well, I like to start my story uh in uh 2011. Uh in February of 2011, I kind of reached a very low point in my life where I had been uh praying for uh a couple of months that God would just take me off the planet. You know, I just was uh I was done. I looked, I was looking back at my past. I had three failed marriages, um, was in the Navy for a little while, got out and did odd sales jobs, just different odd jobs. So never had a career, never had any kind of um education or anything that I could be proud of, you know, and kind of reached that point where I had um given up on life and I just started praying, God, I and I the my language was God, I I just want you to kill me. I'm I'm done. Yeah, I was I was uh ready to go. I wasn't sure if I was a Christian, I wasn't sure if where I was in my life. I just was lost and tired and just didn't want to keep on going. And um, so in February, it was uh there was a big freeze that hit Dallas Fort Worth. Uh was around the time of the Super Bowl. They almost shut down the Super Bowl that year because uh ice had hit Dallas in such a big degree. Um, that uh that but that uh during that ice storm, I had an incident where I was outside smoking a cigarette at my girlfriend's house. I I was living with her because I really didn't have uh I lost my home and everything else. So then I was just kind of I was living with friends and then I met her and uh we moved in together. And so, you know, like I said, I was kind of at the bottom, and um I was outside smoking a cigarette and started coughing, and then and then I started coughing up fluid, and then next thing you know, it was blood mixed in with it, and I was like, what's going on here? And ended up going to the hospital. Uh they saw that my lungs were full of fluid, so they thought it was pneumonia and they admitted me. Um, but it was it wasn't until later that night that they had done some more tests and said, uh, Mr. Hill, this is not pneumonia, it's your heart. Whoa, yeah. And so I like I said, I'd been praying that God would would remove me from this planet, and so I um I didn't know what to think about it. And they were trying to get me to have my family come back up there at like two in the morning during a freeze. And I was like, I just don't understand why you'd want them to come up here for you to run more tests, and they they wouldn't tell me you're you're that close to death. They just said, No, I'd uh I'd prefer if your family could come back up here, please. And so I called them and uh was listening to a conversation because this was two a.m. in the morning, two or three o'clock in the morning, and um I could I could kind of hear a conversation going on out in the hall. And the nurse was saying to the doctor, don't you have to get permission from the director to move him to ICU? And she said, Not in this case, he's tombstone. Wow, and um, you know, it's really quiet at night in the hospital, you can hear everything. And so when I heard that, I was like, Oh wow, man, I'm I guess I'm dying. And um I was just I was just sitting here thinking, man, right now I have this opportunity um to just kind of ask for forgiveness for everything I've done up to this point, and you know, have a clean, you know, clean sheet going into the going into heaven, and you know, kind of like that last minute uh thief on the cross kind of deal, where it's just like, you know, I I've messed up a whole lot, but I do believe in you, and I want, you know, um, so I it was amazing how at the very end of things I've I I I haven't had a uh a break in my faith that way, but I know a lot of people I've I've come to the edge of death, and you're like, wow, you know, you it's it everything changes for a second, and it and your whole priorities and all the things you thought were important or not, all of a sudden you're like, wow, you got this one thing to look at, and all of a sudden turns out it's all right. Well, you know, I I um I loved God, you know. I mean, I uh my whole life I did. I loved him as a child, um, on up. But I you know, I was kind of my understanding was that you had to live a righteous life, you know, you couldn't just, you know, uh think he'd like that. Well, and well, I was raised in this in a in a Pentecostal church, so they're pretty so they're pretty they're a lot more strict than some of the you know, like once you're saved, you're always saved kind of ideas. Yeah. In that denomination, it's you could lose your salvation, you could backslide if you if you uh if you've crossed that line, you're you're not going. And and it was like there's this book up here. I in my mind, I had there's this, there's this book, God's keeping record of stuff. And if you have a mark on that book, when you get there, you're not going in. Wow. And so it was kind of, you know, I live my life based on performance a lot, and and my performance so far in life, free divorces, um, not you know, no career. I was failing, you know. My in my opinion, I was absolutely failing in life. Um, every time I've ever had anything good happen, something bad would happen and take it away. It, you know, it I was a disappointment to everybody. And so here at this point in my life, I was just like ready to go. And um while I was being rolled into ICU from you know, hearing that, um I felt like God spoke to me. It was really, really clear in my spirit. God said, Well, John, do you want to stay or do you want to go? And I realized that whatever I gave, whatever answer I gave him, he was gonna, he was gonna do. He was gonna, he was gonna request. That was pretty heavy. Yeah, it was very heavy. But and I like I said, I've been thinking, I've been praying that God would kill me. I'm like, you know, the perfect opportunity. I I it wasn't hurting, I wasn't really uh it wasn't bad. I was thinking, you know what's gonna happen? If if I've already had a heart attack, I didn't even, you know, I it I I felt a little winded, but other than that, you know, um, I'm just gonna probably fade away. I I'll probably just go to sleep and not even know what happened. And I'll wake up in heaven, you know, because I'm easy way out. Yeah, so I mean that was the easy way out, but I felt like God was saying, I I will be with you and I'll give you a purpose if you decide to stay. And it just kept repeating over and over, I'll be with you and I'll give you a purpose. That's cute, little puppy dog back then.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, it's just lucky here.
SPEAKER_00:It's like she wanted to be on the show, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:He likes to hang out with me sometimes.
SPEAKER_00:Um, but yeah, so you know, I I uh I just kind of thought about it. Uh it was like the it was gonna take about an hour for the cardiologist to get in into the hospital, and so I was laying there just contemplating things, and because I didn't want to just make a hasty answer, you know. I I felt like I had an opportunity here, and with him kind of saying, I'll be with you and I'll I'll give you a purpose, made me really think about it because this would have been the easiest way out, you know. I mean, it wouldn't have hurt at all, I would have just faded away and gone and not have to deal with this world anymore, right? And so, and it wouldn't have been me killing myself, so uh you know, it was just like I mean, it was just like you know, I just I I'm within minutes, I can go. Um but I uh I felt like he really wanted me to stay. So I I said, Okay, God, here's here's that way based on the way you worded that question to you. Yeah, yeah. It's like you tell me, I'll be with you, right? And I'll give you a purpose if you stay. Yeah, okay. And so that's what I did. I'm pretty inviting. Well, like I thought about it, I really put a lot of thought in it. I said, Okay, God, I'll stay if that's all right with you. Yeah, um, but here are the things that I want, you know. And it wasn't to get rich, it was I want to be remembered for doing something good. It was like it finally, I it finally really uh resonated with me what I wanted my life to be. And I said, I want to be remembered for doing something good, I want to live every day, not just be alive. And I want to touch as many people as I can the rest of the time I have on this planet. And after I got through with those with saying that, it felt like I heard in the loudest voice possible, so be it. Wow, and yeah, it shook me. And uh I I tell people, you know, it was like I was laying on this bed, they had had me prepped for the cardiologist so that when he got there, he could just go right to work. Okay, and um, but it felt like if I could see into the spirit realm, he would have been dancing around my bed going, That's my boy. Like you made a good decision, I'm gonna be with you, I'll prove it, you know. And so um went through the the night. Uh he he went up in there. I'm awake for the whole thing. He shows shows me the the on the screen when they run up the die up here in your heart, you know. Um, one one side of my one artery was 100 blocked, no blood getting to that part of the heart. The other one was 95 blocked. Wow. That's a trickle, a trickle of blood going through there, and I had already had a massive heart attack. So about 40 to 50 percent of my heart was scar tissue at this point. I'd had a massive heart attack, and he was like, I don't know if I can fix this. He goes, I may have to crack you open, and that's what he said. I was like, Well, if you have to, you have to, but I'm I'm here, and he goes, Okay, so ran the stents up in there, and with a few stents and uh the just properly put ran the dive back through, and blood returned to my body through through the heart. It was kind of like a TV program, you know. You've seen on TV where there's people gathered behind the glass watching the surgery or whatever that's going on, and that's what it was. Like it was so early in the morning that like the whole staff was all behind there, and whenever the blood returned, they all started cheering, you know, and man, it was so moving, it was just a very moving moment in my life, and I I knew I would never be the same after that, and so I got out of the hospital. Uh, my me and my wife, my my girlfriend at the time, we got married, made it official, and um and you know, I didn't I had the same job, I was selling coupons. That's what I was doing at that time, you know, just one of my many jobs. I was selling coupons in this thing called Money Mailer, which is kind of like a vow pack, you know. I mean, it's like a an envelope that has a bunch of envelopes in it, and you sell it to services and you nail salons and all kinds of stuff like that. And that's what I was doing. I was selling coupons and um at the time. And so I get out, I got uh I got married, and um now I'm we're in worse shape physically. I uh you know, I'm I'm have congestive heart failure because of the damage of the heart. They had to put a pacemaker defibrillator in me, you know, just for it to squeeze normally. Uh and and even with all that, I was still functioning at about a quarter of what a normal heart does. Wow, so yeah, they weren't expecting a lot. I you know, I wasn't sure exactly how it was gonna pan out, but I left there, even though I left weak, still broke, still all the things that was before, I left there knowing that I had a purpose, and that's all I'm you. That's all I needed to know. He's with me, and I have a purpose, and so I decided I chose to forget any religious teaching that I'd been taught. Okay, to to stop running those sermons through my head, to stop judging myself because God felt that I was valuable enough to speak to me and say, I'll be with you, you know. Most people don't get that uh that epiphany experience, yeah. And so I said, Okay, um I from now on I'm following you, Lord. You know, I knew the Bible, I've I read the Bible through multiple times from front to back, you know. You know, I I understood all those things, or at least I thought I did, based on what I was taught.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_00:But I said, from here on out, because I don't know all the answers, I'm gonna trust that you're gonna show me what to do. And so I stayed out of church, I stayed out of listening to other things, and I just focused on knowing him, having him teach me, and amazingly enough, he would bring, he would bring back to remembrance things that I would go check in the Bible and you know, yeah and find. And I but I was like, okay, that's that's you know, that's him speaking to me. I I'm understanding this. And so baby steps, he brought me, he brought me back to a place where I was like, okay, I know where I feel like I know where I'm at right now. But what happened on that uh on that table when I decided to stay was that I truly decided to lay down the old life, and so that's what really made the difference was that it was no longer about me because me wanted to not be here, right? Right. It was about really didn't want much to do with that anymore. I didn't, it was about how can I impact the rest of the world, right? How can that how can you use me to do that? And with no education, no money, I mean, really no money, um, and uh again, no kind of business background. Six months later, I was I was out selling a coupon to a plumber, okay, and it was a local plumber that everybody knew and liked, and and I knew he was trustworthy and all that. And he said, Well, you know, I would I wouldn't want to do this all by myself. He goes, I know a good electrician that I that I fully trust, and I know a good roofer that I fully trust. And I think that we should share this ad. Like, like we could we could buy a coupon with all three of us on it. And um, you know, my my mind went with that's gonna be a little bit confusing to the consumer, I think, to have three different coupons on one. So, what if we built a website? What if we built a website where you could be the plumber, and it was just for one town, it was the town of Mansfield, Texas. It had it was gonna that place deliver it delivered to 20,000 homes in Mansfield. Um, and um, and so I said, What we could do is just get, you know, you already know the electrician, you already know the the roofer. We could get another, you know, maybe a dozen of you different types of services, put them on a website, you know, that I and I kind of knew how to build websites, um, you know, online. It wasn't any kind of fancy anything, it was just you know what you could get online, um, like a Wix and you know, yeah, yeah, absolutely. A template, yeah. And so I was just gonna build a thing where I'd send it, and this was all still just to sell a coupon, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_00:You know, y'all can all go in together and buy uh even a larger area, and um and you know, we'll send it here to this. And I I called it, I called it uh at that that time I called it it could be like Mansfield Service Connection or something, you know, and and um, and so he was like, Man, that sounds like a pretty good idea. Um and so that that got me to like the first spark. And then I could for two days I couldn't sleep. I was thinking too much about it. Like I felt like God was saying, This is what I have for you. I want you to do this.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I I'd never ran my own business. I I I I sold coupons, I sold yellow pages in uh for a while, so I understood what a directory looked like, sure, and so that's what I I I decided I really think I want to try this business. I never started a business before, didn't have any money. So I went in, but uh you know, I was working in outside sales doing this coupon thing, and um I could have probably you know talked to contractors and asked them what they thought about this while I was on the clock, but I just didn't feel like that was right. So I went in and went, called my boss in the office. I said, Hey man, um I've got an idea that I've got to try, and I'm I am not gonna spend one minute of your time um doing that. So I have to quit. And so I quit my job. Okay, no money in the bank, no savings account, and one paycheck coming. Wow, and now now my girlfriend she she worked too. Um you know, and so that was a plus. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean, it wasn't like we were gonna lose our house, right? The house that she was living in. It wasn't even my house at that time. Uh well, I guess at that time we got married right afterwards. Um, but you know, it was uh it was this income was very much needed. I'll just say that. We we couldn't have paid all of our bills without it. But I stepped out in faith, believing that that this was part of my purpose that God talked about. And I just went out in the in the beginning with a leak yellow legal pad and a pen and sat down with contractors and told them my dream. Just shared with them the the idea of separating the good guys from the bad guys and guaranteeing their work. And and they just they fell in love with it, they all started helping me build it. You know, it was just like, oh, I know a good guy here, I know a good guy there. And um, it it took me about two years of just going out and talking to all these guys to finally get it all together, and they were writing checks to to save their spot basically whenever I got it all together. Wow, and I was telling them, hey man, this you know, you might lose your money. It was like the weirdest kind of business you can think of.
SPEAKER_01:Wow, and uh, but I wasn't how how does that differ? Isn't there uh there's a site called Angie's List? You say kind of like that.
SPEAKER_00:Well, you know, uh everybody wants to try to because I had the word list in my in my name, um, and there are contractors there. They people want to compare us to Angie's list. Now, Angie List is now owned by a company that also owns Home Advisor. I don't know if you've ever heard of them, but there's Home Advisor and Angie. Now, um, Angie used to be just a review site. Um okay, and she started out really strong. Like she was the kind of like me. Like she went out door to door and was talking to people about you know their experiences and started the like this review site called List, right? And homeowners used to pay to be a part of that to have access to to contractors who they could actually you. know review and and look at got it i never really knew how it worked i never participated in it i just uh heard about it and right it's sort of a similar idea so it's a review site and you know the bb really is a review site that's you know um it it better business bureau is they they don't take any responsibility they don't pay anything they just you know they just uh uh give the homeowner uh the ability to complain you know right exactly and that's what and that's what the bb is so really there wasn't anything out there that did what i was doing and okay and so what i was doing was only bringing on good contractors like um so i i limited the number of people i could sell to okay and so this was you know i i had business people telling me john this is the dumbest business plan i've ever heard you're you're putting yourself at risk by guaranteeing their work too right job right right so they have liability insurance for that and and or uh some kind of insurance for that well you know uh contractors can have general liability insurance but it does not protect the homeowner from a bad job got it it what what general liability does is if they end up burning the house down they've got an insurance policy that can fix that got it but like if that person didn't like the quality of the work it's just their word against the contractors and that's the way it's always been right that's that's why you can hear so many horror stories a lot of those horror stories that you hear about contractors those were guys who had insurance okay and it's uh you know really it's always just been a two-way agreement a homeowner and a contractor and what I did was say if I'm going to say that these guys are good then I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is and I'm gonna guarantee their work. So literally if someone hires a contractor from the good contractors list it's not just them and the contractor anymore. I have a$25,000 guarantee that backs every job that contractor does. Wow so now there's three people involved and if they're if they have an issue with uh the contractor they can contact me and then I'm taking responsibility for the job if that contractor doesn't fix it. Got it. And so we're gonna service though right this is just we're we're we're in this is in an area that you're covering more or less right everything yeah so any service that you want here in the Dallas Fort Worth area is where I started got it um uh three or four months ago we we decided we were gonna go national with it and I mean yeah amazingly enough it's well it's been 14 years now we've been doing this okay all right we've backed over five billion dollars in work wow and we have only come out of pocket 127 thousand dollars in 14 years advertising it on TV wow walking around you know putting that good with a halo symbol that represents good contractors out there um and I'm telling you if we haven't if we didn't do what we said we're gonna do yeah we would be trashed I mean people eat you alive you'd be yeah you'd be gone yeah but the truth of the matter is we've we've managed to figure out how the process of separating the good guys from the bad guys yeah I was curious about that because I I I worked I was a a painting contractor for years and I I don't know how many guys that I knew that just didn't do what they said and nightmare after nightmare I mean so few good companies I'm out here in California I don't know if it's any different than the rest of the country but I just know there's uh these guys don't show up on time they don't if they show up at all they don't do what they say they change things gets expensive I mean everything that go can go wrong generally does and that's just the normal you know you think it's gonna cost five thousand dollars it's probably gonna cost you 10 by the time you're done and you're still not going to be happy with it yeah that happens um it's hit or miss and that's what's so scary and you know contractors don't really have any other choice but kind of self-promotion let's let me get these certifications um they spend a lot of time a lot of money in marketing trying to step out if they can but a lot of a lot of the really good guys are they stay busy they don't you know because they're they're being referred by family right um but they can't grow very much bigger because they don't they just don't have the resources and the leads to come in you know and so leads is out pretty pretty quick you get all filled up and what are you going to do you can only hire so many guys to help you on your job if you're doing the job you know and I ran into that myself it's kind of it's kind of funny though whenever you like I say it's self-promotion for most but what I'm trying to do is create a community right and so if I can create a community where the there's painters and roofers and air conditioning guys and everything that you need for your home sure all doing the right thing all backed by this guarantee and and they're out there talking about and I call this a movement I call it it this is a good contractors movement that's happening right now across the nation is that as contractors come under this one you know gather together and and bond together under this one authority then they can start telling their homeowners go here to hire your contractors um it's not just about hey we have a$25000 guarantee backing us which by itself is an accolade that should get them earn them business so it's sure you know it that they could use this as just an accolade but if they work as a collective I like to think of this as collective authority the more that this the more that the collective them all the contractors are saying the same thing hire contractors from the good contractors list we are all vetted and backed by a guarantee you will never be taken advantage of if you hire from this one place. Next thing you know homeowners are catching wind of it they're going there for their plumber they're going there for their roofer and the roofers clients become the plumbers clients and the plumbers clients become the window guys' clients you know and so anytime they're actually growing their own organic lead system okay and and so that's the idea is that you know for a$500 setup fee and$250 a month they will be backed by our guarantee and this of course is if they qualify they they've got to meet all of our qualifications and they really need to participate as the collective as part of the collective they need to be referring back to the good contractors list and all that so that so that that their group in whatever town they're in you know um it it could be anywhere small town large town there's contractors that serve all those areas and so um the more people come together they become an authority I call that collective authority marketing because they're actually doing it all uh together without having to spend any money and that's that's the how far reaching have you gotten I mean you went national how long ago uh just a little over three months ago we're in 17 states right now we have we have contractors now in 17 states okay um and these are just these are just the trickles of what's about to happen because what'll happen is as let's say in Houston uh we get a contractor there we ask that contractor who do you know and trust in other fields or even in your own field um and they will you know they they're very particular it's it's it's kind of funny because when you put that word good out there and say I'm separating good contractors from the bad ones they take possession of it they're they're like all right well we're gonna make they have to otherwise you don't have anything of value I mean if these guys aren't aren't owning it as their own then you know it's up then it's somehow your responsibility and that's a lot of work to I don't know how you would manage it but if you got everybody that sees the value in it and they they protect their own and and you know raise that value up and and hold it I think that that's the only way that that would really have a chance to to grow the way it is so yeah you know it here in Dallas Fort Worth it was easy because and and we we charge more here than we would anywhere else in the United States because there's different levels now. You know we have we have so many uh zip codes out here so many different services now we now we have the ability to sell it to exclusively but what we do here different here in Dallas that um I if I could go in hindsight I would have changed I would have used the model I'm using nationally right now. But in Dallas Fort Worth we actually advertised on TV and radio. I I did what I originally was talking about. They all pulled their money and I just take the money that they they give us and we advertised here and in Dallas of Fort Worth on radio and TV and that's and that's how it grew quickly here is because they heard about it and they came to buy us you know okay um the downside of that is when you pay more you expect more and so absolutely while while I could be spending eighty thousand dollars a month on advertising um it may not give them enough leads for them to think it's worth$600 a month.
SPEAKER_01:John I I know that um I I was not sure how this conversation was going to go it went fantastic but we've burned up most of our time and this is where I kind of want to give you the opportunity to circle your thought around and and if you've got kind of one central thought that you'd like to share with our listeners.
SPEAKER_00:Well you know I mean like I said the good contractors list is is what I consider a movement. Okay. And so it's gonna it's gonna really take everybody working together um to make it work. And ultimately my my goal is I want to touch as many people as I can while I'm on this earth right be remembered for doing something good. So that so part of the the good contractors list growing is that I get to be on podcasts like yours and start and tell the story of God's goodness you know and and that's really my my ultimate uh desire is to be able to be a a beacon of good you know to the world but if you're a uh because it takes everyone if you're a homeowner listening to this uh um and you know a contractor that you would hand your keys over to you trust them so much you know like those good guys they could be the beginning of a a safe contractor community right there where you are and so um on the good it's called the goodcontractorslist dot com on the goodcontractors list dot com there's a button that says refer a contractor it's there's it's at the bottom and I think they're about to add that to the navigation now but if you look go to the bottom of the page there's you can see refer a contractor click on that fill out that form and let us know who that contractor is and if they end up qualifying and joining joining we'll we'll pay you$125 for letting us know about them. Nice so so yeah we we want to benefit everybody uh that's going to be a part of this and if we can get that started in your community then it won't be long before we have all the contractors you need that are going to be good that we can guarantee with$25,000 and so refer contractors if uh if you're if you are a contractor by chance listening to this and you know that you you're the guy that can that has integrity that does things right that uh has a steady no knows how to manage your money and run the business right go to thoodcontractors list dot com and go to become a good contractor and it'll give you our minimal requirements and then we run uh we have we we spend$2800 a month on background steps uh background check software that is FBI level so we when we when we do a background check we know you know we know if that person had another company that they ran into the ground and then started another one you know so those kinds of things that that you can't see a lot of times and so so we we do that and that that's it you know just um help us with this movement uh we we really want to protect homeowners around the nation and uh and we want to build community and make this something that's great for everybody it's hard to know what's real anymore you know and and that's part of what we're doing is we really want we want a genuine safe place for homeowners to go and a and a and a really a safe place for contractors to come to be a part of something great something much bigger than themselves.
SPEAKER_01:I like it I like it well join I want to thank you for joining us today and uh you know as as things are growing along I I encourage you to reach back out and come back up and share share the developments. Sure would love it. Thank you. Beautiful well this has been another episode of the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host Joe Grumbine and I want to thank all of our listeners for making this show possible and we will see you next time.
