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From Newsroom to Reinvention: Jane Hanson on Confidence, Curiosity, and Communicating Well
Ever feel like everyone’s talking and no one’s hearing a thing? We sat down with Emmy-winning journalist and reinvention coach Jane Hanson to unpack how curiosity, presence, and clear delivery can turn noise into connection—and anxiety into confidence. From prairie roots to New York newsrooms, Jane shares why big changes demand new communication muscles and how anyone can build them with intention.
We dig into active listening as the real superpower: asking better questions, reflecting what you heard, and creating space for nuance so tension cools and ideas sharpen. Jane explains why first impressions form in seconds and how body language, tone, and pacing outweigh your script. We break down Aristotle’s ethos, logos, pathos in plain English—trust, logic, and emotion—and show how to apply them to pitches, team updates, and even talks with your kids. If your message keeps getting lost, it’s probably not the message; it’s the delivery.
You’ll leave with a DIY toolkit: a three-step recording routine to audit your speaking, a simple method to cut filler words by embracing strategic pauses, an eye contact map to engage the whole room, and a storytelling prompt that turns dry data into meaning. Jane’s golf anecdote proves the point—bring real emotion and specific detail, and audiences lean in while your talk gets shorter and clearer. Whether you’re leading a board meeting, returning to office life, or trying to be more present on Zoom, these habits will help you show up with credibility and warmth.
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Well, hello, and welcome back to the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, and today we've got a very special guest. Her name is Jane Hansen, and she's an Emmy-winning journalist, and she turned into a communication and reinvention expert, and she helps people step into their confidence, refine their voice, and embrace reinvention at any stage of life. And as we're talking about healthy living, mind, body, spirit, uh, this certainly encompasses a lot of that. June, welcome to the show. I'm so glad that you could join us today.
SPEAKER_01:Well, thank you very much for having me. I'm I'm thrilled to be here. And of course, we're talking about my favorite subject. So why wouldn't I want to be here?
SPEAKER_00:I love it. I love it. And you know, communication and and presentation and invention and reinvention, you know, um the human being, we're made of all these different parts, right? We got a body, we have a mind, a spirit, but the mind and spirit really are so instrumental in our health. And if we can get those two working right and feeling good and um being an active part of uh whatever it is we're we're seeking to be part of, man, it can be so instrumental. Why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and how you came to this place?
SPEAKER_01:I love the fact you're talking about the mind and how the mind really can help reset us for being healthier and wiser and all those good things because it's paramount, and I don't think we even recognize how paramount it can be. So congratulations on bringing all of that to the forefront. Um, so I'm a Midwestern girl. I grew up in rural Minnesota. Uh, if anybody remembers watching the show Little House on the Prairie, my hometown is about 40 miles from there. So all you see miles and miles and miles and miles is prairie. And it's still the same way as it was when I was a child. Um, but I I've lived in New York City for most of my adult life, uh, working as a journalist for the NBC Networks.
SPEAKER_00:That's a contrast, huh?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Oh yeah. Yep. My dad was a little afraid when he heard I was moving to like that very much, but um, he also loved coming to visit. So it was a it was a yes, it was a significant change, um, but one that I was very eager to make and enjoyed every second of it. Um, and I think when we make big changes like that in our life, and mine came when I was in my early 20s, you really have to refocus who you are, and then how do you continue to have well-being and strength and and and and do your best to make the adaptations you have to in your in your head for this new type of life? For instead of seeing the same 1200 people for an entire year, I'm now seeing eight million, not all once, but but you never know what you're going to meet. And so it's for me, it was a very healthy and a very good experience to understand that the world is comprised of so many different types of people, from everything from their beliefs to their ages to um you know, to their whatever their makeup is, uh to their culture, etc. And so that for me was just about the the curiosity that that won out over everything, which by the way, I happen to believe is one of the best things in the world that we can have to continue to keep us healthy.
SPEAKER_00:100%. 100%. I think that curiosity and uh the the joy of discovery is really like for me, it taps my little my inner little boy, you know, always wanting to look under the next rock and see what's there or peek around the tree and see what's hiding behind there. It's just like it's a constant state of anticipation and um excitement.
SPEAKER_01:It is, it is, and it's important for us to continue to have that all of our life because I think when we get stuck, we're stuck because we're no longer curious. And that and people who get stuck, it turns them upside down.
SPEAKER_00:Well, and it seems to be sort of the human nature to either get stuck or find ourselves in a rut. Like we we carve these pathways to simple, easiest ways to things, and we just keep doing those things over and over again until it becomes a habit, a ritual, or whatever. And you know, growth comes from getting outside of those comfort zones. And so, what you're talking about, the discovery and um, you know, making these these leaps of faith, going from 1200 people to 8 million people, like what a tremendous um, you know, leap of faith that would be. And yet that's where you know true growth comes from.
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely. You could you couldn't be truer words have not been spoken, Joe. They just haven't. So um, so when when you talk about the the the first of all, we have a lot of issues in our world today when it comes to um the communication aspects, which is what I have lived my whole life on, is about how do we communicate better. And communication, when we don't communicate well, that's where we get into trouble. Right. We're not communicating so well right now. We're not listening.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my god, in the world. Woo! It's like everybody speaks, it's like the Tower of Babel. Everybody speaks a different language and nobody knows what the hell each other's saying anymore.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly. So so if there's one thing that I would love people to carry away from our conversation today, it's just this notion of how do I actually how do how can I communicate better? And that is part of what curiosity is, because a huge part of communicating isn't about me talking or you talking, but it's about me listening and you listening. And listening is far more important much of the time than talking. And active listening is something that I teach a lot in my work. And what do I mean by active listening? It means you're not just waiting for somebody to finish talking so that you can then jump in and say what you think. Right. What you're doing is you're listening, you're absorbing it, you ask more questions to ask them to elaborate. And the moment that you start to really become interested in what somebody else is saying, it completely changes the ball game. Now, it may not mean that you're that they've changed your point of view or that or that, but you might understand better why somebody could feel differently than you, or they might add one part of it that says, hmm, there's a place I can make a compromise, or there's something that happens, and and and those people, by the way, walk away from this conversation thinking you're one of the greatest people ever because you listened. Right. So it's it's really it, it's it's just some mind-boggling to me that absolutely listening. We're so prone to saying, Oh, yes, that happened to me. Let me tell you how you fix it. Instead of, hmm, how'd you feel about that? Or elaborate about why that happened. Um, or I'm not, I didn't quite understand. Just make it, can you can you make it a little clearer for me?
SPEAKER_00:Or even it's just expanding on a point that you made that says, Well, they caught that. Like when you're speaking to somebody, you know, there's two elements. One, I've got this thing I want to say and share, but two, I'm actually wanting somebody to catch it and and and absorb it and maybe bounce it back to me. And so many times, you know, you're talking, you know, we're broadcasting all the time, right? We're on this podcast, and our hope is that listeners are gonna hear it, but we'll never know. And except for looking at numbers and things, or maybe somebody will reach back and say, hey, I was listening to that thing you said, and you're like, oh wow, somebody actually heard me. But when you're having a conversation like you and I are right now, and somebody actually engages, and you're like, they couldn't have said that to be unless they actually heard what I was saying and thought about it and got it back to me, there's this level of, you know, you're talking to most people and you just see their eyes and they're off thinking about something else or whatever. Like there's this sort of semi-engagement. But when you're actually engaged in a true conversation and you're sharing ideas and thoughts, um, there's something different that happens. You know, I can see in your eyes that you're hearing what I'm saying, and you can see in my eyes that I'm hearing what you're saying. And it's just there's a connection of energy there that changes the dynamic of it all.
SPEAKER_01:It does, which is leading me to one other part that's so important in all of this, which is what our bodies are doing when we're communicating. And when you if you really think about it, we haven't had a spoken language, considering how long man or woman has walked on earth, we've only, which is millions of years, we've only had a spoken language, it's estimated, by about of about 160,000 years.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly. So before that, everything we did was through the way we looked at each other, the way we listened to each other, the way we approached each other, the way we made gestures, uh, the way we held our bodies, our posture, our facial expressions, all of that was extraordinarily crucial. And it still is. I mean, you gotta you gotta admit that the moment because we're doing this, even though they can't see us, we're actually still doing it on a on a Zoom and looking at each other. The moment you saw me, you made a judgment about me. Yeah. And the moment I saw you, I made a judgment about you. We always do. Yeah. And those judgments are really big deals because it's considered again. I've got all this these facts, this data points. But there's a study that says somebody will make a decision about you, a first impression of you, in less than seven seconds. Absolutely. So you haven't even opened your mouth.
SPEAKER_00:Right. A little micro expression here or there, and you're like, whoop, I've just read that. And you're like, and I don't even my brain isn't even telling me what I'm thinking. No, I just feel this thing, whatever it is.
SPEAKER_01:Right. So so that's so it's so innate. And and we need to we need to think about that. And I mean, I've had don't you have people that you've either worked with or friends or your family, and they go, I don't like that person. Oh why?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And they can't explain it to you. Right.
SPEAKER_00:But it needs to be something about that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Something happened in those few seconds. They go, nope, don't like them, don't like them. And it takes it, and this the same study says it takes eight subsequent interactions with that person before they will even consider changing their mind about you. About that. And it might have been because you were in a bad mood. Maybe you were you're hungry. Or you're hungry. You're hungry and you're like, oh, I gotta have something to eat. And in in their mind, they're going, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So it's just the dumbest. Some of it's some of it is stupid, and some of it is brilliant.
SPEAKER_00:Right. Right. You might you might recognize a psychopath just with uh the way they're squint their eyes at you for some reason or whatever, and go, Wow, I gotta keep away from this guy, or I don't trust him, or whatever. The other side of it is like I said, somebody might have an upset stomach, and you might, you know, get an imp an incorrect read on somebody and and judge them harshly when, in fact, like you said, they're just having a bad moment.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And we all do, which is why it's so important, like in the world of business, that no matter how you're feeling, you gotta show up in the best possible way and be really super present, be really present because we're distracted, you know. We got those little stupid phone things in that column, whatever they are, and we when we got we're so bummed. We're just it's like it all comes at us, and and and some days it's overwhelming, and some days you're so overwhelmed that you can't even respond right to somebody. And then I do something terrible sometimes, which I know I have to change, it's one of my vows is I'll be talking to somebody on the phone, and at the meantime, I'm watching my emails come in, uh answering emails, and I and I'm not fully distracted just like that, and you know what?
SPEAKER_00:They know they know they know 100%. I can always tell when somebody's doing something else. I'm like, should we just do this another time? Because I, you know, and it is funny, like for me, I I these Zoom calls are the closest thing we can get to uh sitting in the same room. I'd always rather sit in the same room if it's at all possible. I do a lot of these podcasts side by side with my guests just sitting right next to me whenever I can. But emails and texts to me are the value of them is recording something you said so that nobody can say, Well, you didn't say that or whatever. But that's it. Other than that, you know, unless you're a brilliant writer and you can inflect in your writing what you're trying to say, the way you're trying to say it, like even our conversation, there's facial expressions and gestures, and the the tone goes up and down and faster and slower that denotes really the conversation more than the words themselves. And unless you're a brilliant writer and you can express that in a beautiful way, it gets lost, and people get take it wrong all the time. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:That's exactly right. There's another statistic, which is that 93% of the way people give us credibility or how or how we resonate is the way we deliver what we're saying and not what we're saying, right?
SPEAKER_00:And that's charisma, that's your personality, that's the not the words you're saying, it's how you say them. And your ability to, I think all it really is is your ability to let out what's inside because we all have this amazing thing inside of us, but we've got you know miles of shields and barricades and traumas and things that keep them from getting out. And so, you know, we become robotic or whatever the thing, our our defense mechanism is that keeps us from letting this beautiful thing out. But if you can, you know, that's your that's your personality, that's your charisma, that's your game, whatever you want to call it. It absolutely is.
SPEAKER_01:So one of my jobs is to help people let it out. Nice. And I I do a couple of little experiments, and and actually anybody could do this. This is what you're gonna use your phone because you're gonna record yourself, right? And I want, and so what I want is for people to record themselves uh just talking, telling the story, and then listen back to it, and how energetic is it? How enticing is it? How are you saying the words? And by the way, when you read a story to a child, we will say, the big bad wolf, right, the little beautiful girl in her red riding suit, and we and the way we describe things, kids immediately get it. But as we grow up, we stop losing all of that, and we go, the big bad wolf met the little girl in the red riding suit.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_01:So we have to get back to thinking of how we can express things better because the more we bring it to life, the better I'm going to understand what you're trying to say.
SPEAKER_00:Totally agree. We should spend more time around the campfire, you know, telling the stories, you know, the ghost stories and the whatever, you know, because that's where you really get into that narrative, you know, you're trying to raise up an energy and get people to get into your story, right? So you, you know, you tell it.
SPEAKER_01:I know it's just again stories are wonderful, and they're they truly are the best way of helping promote understanding because when you tell me something that happened to you, then I begin to understand why you might be acting the way you are, or why something something there's something that you can't tolerate, or there that really bothers you, some behavior. But until if I don't know the story, I think, what a weirdo. Or you know, that guy's a nutcase. Instead of understanding, well, do you know what happened to him? Right. Once somebody tells you that, then you feel you feel horrible for having you having judged someone when you didn't know the facts, but yet they're not vulnerable or capable of telling you that story because you're a stranger. So you know, and that gets back to curiosity.
SPEAKER_00:Well, and I think that you know, most of the negative experiences we have with people, we tend to just get defensive and push them away. But the truth is, anybody who's ever mean to you, they're hurt. Oh, yeah. There's just no there, it's it. I don't think there's any exception to it. Like, people aren't naturally just mean. I suppose there's a few psychopaths out there that are just born mean, but generally speaking, when somebody, you know, then you look at kids when they meet each other, hey, how's it going? Do you want to be friends? Like kids don't walk up to each other and bop each other on the head, generally, they they they want to share something together, and we're not different, you know. But when things happen to us that cause us to whatever, be damaged or traumatized, we start acting differently. And and and when somebody treats you poorly right off the bat, instead of us going, oh, I gotta, you know, push back or get them or whatever, you know, I I would say if you could figure out, hey, what's wrong, you know, you okay? And um, that would change the dynamic of of most of these negative experiences we have with people.
SPEAKER_01:I absolutely agree with you. When you think about little, you think about kids and bullying. I mean, the bullies are bullies because they're insecure or they're scared or something happened to them, or they've got some terrible situation at at home, or there's something going on that has nothing to do with you.
SPEAKER_00:100%, 100%. Well, June, you know, you you have a program now and you're helping people. I'd like to hear about that, you know. Um, this is something that to me we have all these people that come around and share their stories and they they had this experience or they have that program or business or product or whatever, but how it works and how people come to you and the transformative element of that, I'd really like to hear about that.
SPEAKER_01:So I mainly work with uh people in the business world.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:And so I mean, I I should all I should also clarify that by saying I work with people of all of all, you know, all from all across all industries.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:And so I will work with charitable organizations and I will work with top-level CEOs, and I'll work with people in the in the tech space, because these communication skills are completely transferable across every imaginable situation. I work with authors, I work with actors, I work with sports figures, I work with you, I mean you name it, and I've worked with them. And and here's why they come to me. They come to me for a number of different reasons. Maybe they've they've gotten a new job that's very high profile, and they know now that the words that they say and and and and what how they appear is going to deeply affect the reputation of the company that they work for, that they are the spokesperson. Or they may come to me because they don't have the confidence to do something that involves them either getting on a stage or making a lot of presentations, or maybe doing podcasts, or or uh they're they they're put into a position now where they have to be much more um much more of a of a speaker.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Maybe there's somebody who's now going to get a lot of media attention, they're going to be doing interviews, that sort of thing. Uh it's and or maybe it's people that are going back to work and haven't worked for a long time. I get a I've I've worked with a lot of of moms who stayed at home for a while. Now they're going back to the workplace and they they don't feel confident.
SPEAKER_00:So now you're dealing with a lot more of that since COVID and all the people kind of working from home or not working or whatever.
SPEAKER_01:It is. And this whole thing of working from home, that's inspired a lot of people who don't feel as confident now when they're going into an office. So that's a whole other thing. And I also, because I was doing Zoom calls and things long before we actually had COVID, because I was doing a lot of international stuff where travel wasn't sometimes didn't work. Sure. Actually, I actually had a head start on Zooms and Google Meets and all that stuff long before it became um a verb. Um so what I do with people is I help them understand what it is that's causing kind of their stuckness or causing their um what what what is it what's their goal? Where do they want to get and why do they need help getting there? And then through uh then I then I I highly customize all of my programming because it has to be. Everybody's an individual, and what may be may be a big fear for one person is not a fear for another, but they've got something else that they need help with. And so we do a lot of work in paramount, yeah, is who are we? It's you know, there's three core parts of it. One is who's our audience, who are we talking to, where are we carrying our message? Uh do how well do we know them? What do we need to know about them? How are we going to resonate with them? Then two, what are we actually saying and what's the key message that we have for the world? Um, and usually there's one bottom line message that we're carrying forth. So how are we going to deliver them or how are we going to we got to help create that message in a way where it's easily understood? And then um, and then it's how are we delivering it, which gets into the body language. So, you know, first who am I talking to? What am I saying, and how am I saying it? And I take a lot of what I do from the guy considered the father of communications, who is Aristotle.
SPEAKER_00:There you go.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and Aristotle, and that long time ago, okay, long time ago. And so yeah, and it's still the same stuff. So he had um ethos or um, can I trust you? Uh-huh. You the expert, can I trust you? Which is important, you know, important in business. Business is basically we want to be, we want to work with somebody we trust and we want to like them. So it's possibility. Then the second part is logos or logic. Are you explaining it in a way I can understand? Is it reasonable? Is it logical? And then the third part is pathos or pathos, which is emotions. Because in everything that we do, we're either trying to provide information, persuade somebody, uh, um, entertain them, whatever it is we're trying to do in that conversation, that communication, then we have to think about the emotions that are needed to be able to relate to that human being. So now so those are the things that we work on. I use a lot of video, I record people, nice, and we pay play it back and we talk about what they and I I they were partners. I'm not sitting there going, well, this is what you did wrong. And here I you tell me what you think of that video because our perception of ourselves is a whole lot different than the other way people perceive us.
SPEAKER_00:I think that's powerful. I mean, if you look at you know, public speakers and the the tools that many of them talk about, it's it's practicing and reviewing and looking at yourself and being honest and listening to yourself. And it's kind of hard to do. Like, I know when I started speaking in public, you know, people would say, Well, you're doing pretty good, but you're always looking up in the air, or you're you know, you you're uming too much or whatever. And then I'm like, Okay, I better just start listening to myself, and then you do, and you're like, Oh, all right, I can see that. And and if you're honest, you're like, that's a solvable problem. I can just practice my way through that.
SPEAKER_01:It all is, yeah, and that's why I'm saying take the phones and record yourself, right? So then, so record yourself just telling a story, or maybe maybe you do have a presentation of some sort, record for the first five minutes of it now. Listen, then listen to it. The first time you listen to it, I want you to do it with your eyes closed. Okay. So now all you're doing is hearing it. How does it sound? What are the words that you're are you are you emphasizing the right words? Is the message clear? Are you what are you feeling from it? Then the second time, look at it with the sound off and just your body.
SPEAKER_00:Interesting.
SPEAKER_01:And then so now you're seeing how is what are my facial expressions like? What's my eye contact like? Am I smiling? Am I frowning? Am I emphasizing well? Then look at the full thing. Nice. And but but there's one problem, which is we're all way too self-critical. Absolutely. So now you're gonna you've written down 15 things and you're going, ah, I give up.
SPEAKER_00:Most people are never gonna pay that much attention. Well, you'd be surprised.
SPEAKER_01:Well, subconsciously they certainly will, but but yeah, so so what so then what I want you to do is pick out one thing, the one thing that bothered you the most, or the one thing that you think would really help. And for the next two weeks, you're gonna work on that one thing. Okay, be it the ums. I'm saying, um, I'm using that filler word. Now I'm gonna figure out how am I going to stop doing the um. And once you're aware of it, you stop pretty quickly. But it's also it's also two other things factor in one, we usually use those words when we're not well prepared. And secondly, we use them to fill dead air. So instead pause.
SPEAKER_00:Right. Pause is worth a hundred bad words.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly. So now, so now you've you've you've maybe you cu you cured the filler word problem. Now do it again two weeks later. And now you pick out something else and you say, Oh, I have no eye contact. Just like you said that people looked at the that told you you looked up all the time. They say eye contact. So what am I gonna do? Okay, so now how how how do I how do I make sure I'm doing a better job of that?
SPEAKER_00:Nice.
SPEAKER_01:And and why am I not looking at people? Am I afraid that they're gonna give me ugly looks that they're not gonna be listening? So now you just start looking at your audience. I divide if I'm in a a room with more than like five people, I divide it into three pieces, slices of pizza, and I look at one side, then I look at the middle, and I look at the other side, and then I look at individuals. But I'm just making sure that I got good eye contact. Okay, so now you solve two problems, right? So, and as you go along, you get better and better and more confident.
SPEAKER_00:Comfortable, yeah. I love it. I love it. Well, listen, we're getting a little low on time. I really like to hear a um an example of one of the people you've worked with that you thought was maybe really transformative or impactful in some personal way.
SPEAKER_01:Well, most of the people I work with, I do not give out their names. Oh no, we don't need names, just just so what I particularly love is when there's an aha moment. Nice. So I remember uh once I was working with this uh this man who worked for an insurance company, and talking about insurance at a presentation can sometimes be incredibly boring.
SPEAKER_00:I would imagine.
SPEAKER_01:So he was doing this presentation and he'd done it two or three or four times, and he kept saying, It's not getting any better. I said, Okay, I want you to do something different. And he said, What? I said, What's your favorite? What do you like to do outside of work? And he said, play golf. I said, Okay, I want you to tell me the story, which I recorded of the last time that you had your best round of golf. Okay, why? And so he did. And he's like, Oh, it was this beautiful sunny day. I was playing with my best friend, and I and I hadn't been able to hit my pitching wedge. We got up to this. He said, I had this, I had this drive that was the longest drive I've ever had. And then I knew all I had was a pitching wedge. And he gets into this whole long thing about the pitching wedge, and and he said, and I looked at it and I thought, I am gonna get this thing to the hole. And it got landed about just about two inches from the hole. Wow, and that went right in. And he goes, I birdied the hole, and he said this. I said, Okay, you heard that emotion that you just had in that? And he goes, Yep. And I said, Why don't you think about a story about somebody within your insurance, some either client that you've helped or a problem that you solved, put that in the presentation and let's try this again. So he thought for a few minutes and he put a story into the presentation, and the whole thing became interesting and dynamic. And by the way, about 10 minutes shorter. And it was so good. I got oh my god, that that I I I never thought I could do that presentation. So think about that.
SPEAKER_00:I love it, love it, love it. Well, Jane, I this has been riveting. I I I wasn't sure, you know, walking into this. We've misfired three times trying to get together. I'm like, all right, well, hopefully this time. And um I this has just been an absolutely riveting conversation. So if you could wrap up your thoughts and and deliver your you know, 20-second elevator pitch to somebody, what would you what would you tell our listeners?
SPEAKER_01:I would tell them that every part of life, whether it's you making a presentation to the chairman of the board of the biggest company in the world, or talking to your five-year-old, all of life is just a conversation. And so make sure that you are having the best conversation you can with whomever you are talking to. Listen well, don't jump in and be really truly present.
SPEAKER_00:I love it. That is some wisdom right there. Well, as always, I always try to give our guests an opportunity to connect with the listeners. And I know you're probably pretty well booked in in fancy uh New York City and all that good stuff. However, um, if somebody does want to reach out and and engage you, how would they get a hold of you?
SPEAKER_01:Well, it's pretty easy, and by the way, I travel almost anywhere.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, beautiful.
SPEAKER_01:Um, so I have a website, janehanson, h-a-n-s-o-n.com. And my email that goes along with that website is jane at janehanson.com. It's really, really simple. And I love talking to people and I love working with anybody.
SPEAKER_00:Beautiful. Well, you're providing a very necessary service. If you're ever in Southern California, I'd love to meet up with you and uh have another conversation. Um, it's been an absolute pleasure. I want to thank you for joining the show and uh certainly welcome you back anytime uh it strikes your fancy.
SPEAKER_01:Joe, thank you so much. I had a blast.
SPEAKER_00:Beautiful. Well, this has been another episode of the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grombine. I want to thank all of our listeners for making this possible, and we will see you next time.
