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Medicine, Sufism, and Finding the True Path to Healing with Dr. R. Ibrahim Jaffe
What if your persistent illness has a spiritual cause that Western medicine can't detect? Dr. Ibrahim Jaffe, both a licensed physician and Sufi spiritual teacher, believes most chronic conditions have roots beyond the physical body - and he's helped over 50,000 people worldwide prove it.
On this illuminating episode, Dr. Jaffe explains how modern medicine has become increasingly algorithm-driven, with doctors following rigid protocols that treat symptoms rather than seeking true cures. "Medicine today is not curative," he observes. "It really just prolongs and kind of protects a little bit, but it doesn't ever cure, or very rarely."
The conversation takes a fascinating turn when Dr. Jaffe shares his journey into spiritual healing, beginning with a profound experience in medical school involving a dying teenage girl and Orthodox rabbis using an ancient healing ritual with doves. This pivotal moment launched his exploration of the spiritual dimensions of illness.
Through compelling case studies, Dr. Jaffe demonstrates how diseases manifest as physical expressions of spiritual disconnections. "Most breast cancer is about betrayal of love," he explains, while sharing the remarkable story of a woman with end-stage heart failure whose condition stemmed from spiritual betrayal and anger toward God. After resolving these deep wounds, her enlarged heart returned to normal size within weeks.
Dr. Jaffe's approach doesn't reject conventional medicine but enhances it by addressing what's happening at the soul level. He teaches patients and practitioners to look beyond symptoms to find the spiritual qualities being thwarted - whether it's love, compassion, or divine connection. When these spiritual blockages are resolved, profound physical healing often follows.
Ready to explore the spiritual dimensions of your health challenges? Visit SufiUniversity.org or InstituteofSpiritualHealing.com to learn more about Dr. Jaffe's groundbreaking work and discover how spiritual healing might complement your medical treatment.
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Well, hello and welcome back to the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, joe Grumbine, and today we have a very special guest. His name is Dr Ibrahim Jaffe. He's an MD, a licensed medical doctor and a world-renowned spiritual teacher. He pioneered the field of medical spiritual healing, a deeply integrative approach that addresses the root of physical, emotional and spiritual illness. He bridges Western medicine with Sufi spiritual wisdom. Dr Jaffe has helped over 50,000 people worldwide, including celebrities, ceos and even those on the brink of death, heal chronic conditions, awaken their hearts and transform their lives. And Dr Jaffe, that's pretty impressive. I am looking forward to our conversation. It seems that we have a lot in common of especially combining the notions of Western medicine and spirituality and herbalism and all of these things to find answers. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2:I'm happy to be here and glad to talk about these things. It needs to go out for our patients, or everybody, so they have the best chance to heal.
Speaker 1:I agree, as we just had a brief conversation. I've been mired in Western medicine recently, with all these oncologists and all these different doctors trying to tell me what they think I should do, and it's interesting because I've become my own advocate, I've become my own expert and I believe that I'm the world's foremost expert on the cancer that I have, and because it's everything so unique and as a physician, my experience has always been my dad was a surgeon, so I grew up in the medical world and physicians have this training that they receive and then they practice what they are trained and they have influences of pharmaceutical companies and the schools that they are taught by and their funders and all of that, and they seldom stray from their lessons and every once in a while you'll find somebody who has an integrative approach and they welcome additional resources and and ideas and it seems that that's where you're coming from yeah, I think I mean medicine has changed a lot in the past 20 years.
Speaker 2:I I got my degree 1983, okay, and um, you know. So the the changes are, it's become much more controlled. So as a doctor, you have to follow certain algorithms, right, you know? And if you don't, you will lose your license or you'll get a malpractice. Right Standard of care.
Speaker 2:Exactly, you got to do it and unfortunately, what it's done is brought a lot of fear into doctors, and then it's also created a limitation which allows, you know, the pharmacy groups at Big Pharma to control the use of what we're doing. And so as doctors we get stuck in that and it's very hard to get out of it.
Speaker 1:No, I understand the sort of the conundrum you know and and yet I've found doctors are people and sometimes a doctor will take matters into his own hands and decide that you know, I'm going to do what's right, as opposed to this thing that they are going to try to make me do.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and I think that there's more and more of us around like that. But you know we take that risk because you're you know you're risking your license and you're risking your practice and your livelihood if you do it. But I think those of us who you know appreciate that. As a patient, if I was a patient, I want the best chance to live that I can get.
Speaker 1:Heck yeah, and.
Speaker 2:I don't want someone telling me this is all you can do, because I know there's a lot of other things that can help.
Speaker 1:Well, and really as a patient and really as a patient you'll come to realize that with doctors have become so specialized nowadays where before there was a lot of general practitioners and internal medicine doctors and sort of more broad ranging practices, and nowadays everything is really honed down to these little specifics and a surgeon is just a surgeon. And you know the medical oncologist, she just does the chemo. And you know, everybody has their own little thing. But when you start talking to all these different doctors, you'll realize that they don't even agree. And one doctor will read out of his playbook and say, well, you need surgery.
Speaker 1:And the next doctor will say, well, if you get surgery, you're going to be deformed and you need radiation. And the other doctor will say, well, I think you need chemo, but we want radiation too. And then you go to the integrative guy and he's like well, you know, there's this whole different approach that we could go after. And then you do your own research and you come up with answers. I think that you know, the specialization has really changed things a lot, and maybe not for the better. I mean in the better in some ways, because you have people that have gotten very skilled at their craft. You have surgeons that are just amazing, doing work that couldn't have been done with robots and nanoparticles and things, but at the same time, you know, the human body is is a miraculous machine on its own and sometimes all it needs to be is let heal itself, right?
Speaker 2:I I'm with you 100 and and I agree with you that there's enough discord among specialists that it's very hard to get In medicine. It's hard to get to the truth of what's best.
Speaker 1:Right. Well, I think another thing that I've discovered in Western medicine is that it's very symptomatic, it's not really cure-based. I mean, I don't think that doctors are really particularly trying to cure you. They're treating you and once you get into a doctor's care of an illness, generally you just never leave. You're now in treatment forever. It seems that maybe if we get to the root of things, we start finding cures and maybe the whole goal is to not need a doctor anymore. Right?
Speaker 2:That's supposedly what we're supposed to be doing. But I agree, Medicine today is not curative. It really just prolongs and kind of protects a little bit, but it doesn't ever cure, or very rarely.
Speaker 1:And I don't even think they're trying to, or very rarely and I don't even think they're trying to. I think it's about mitigating quality of life problems and keeping a thing from getting worse or removing it. They like to remove things a lot.
Speaker 2:That's true. But you know the other side of it is that medicine does bring so much good, you know, especially emergency care oh, absolutely it's done so much good for people, especially emergency care. And oh, absolutely it's done so much good for people asthma that they have, you know there's so many things that's treated that people would really suffer. So it's. You know we're walking that line between incredibly good but then also not getting to the root of why people are sick.
Speaker 1:And that's one of the points I wanted to get into as we start talking about some of your other practices is that one of the things I've discovered is that everything seems to have a double edge to it, and there's a benefit and there's always a cost to pay, whether it's a side effect or a cost or some issue. And I think just about every element of health has to come with making choices that weigh out, you know, the benefits versus the cost. What's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know. I just have a little bit different philosophy, which is every system of healing has benefit, sure, and there's actually ways to figure out which system is going to work for somebody. So ideally, like when I'm working with, I don't really think about the cost so much. What I think about is okay, what are the possibilities with healing something? And then I take it into guidance and there's there's different ways of reaching it and try to say, okay, when I bring it into this place, this happens. When I bring it into a different place, something else happens. So I try to go through the, the options.
Speaker 2:For example, uh, you know, say somebody, I had a guy that just had a parotid tumor, kind of similar to what you were dealing with, and he was looking at, you know, mexican clinics, german clinics, austrian clinics, swiss clinics, you know all different. But when we really looked at the guidance for there was only maybe two clinics that really made a difference Okay, so we were able to cut out all the other clinics and he ended up going to a German clinic and he had complete success.
Speaker 1:It's completely gone. Nice, excellent, excellent. Doing the research. It makes a difference sometimes.
Speaker 2:It makes a difference, and so I think, for your listeners, we've got to first of all understand that doctors alone are socialized into thinking our way is the best. It's not, but it has value. So we don't want to cut it out, we don't want to throw it away, sure, but we want to make sure that we don't get caught in the quagmire of you know, our way is the allopathic medicine is the best way to go.
Speaker 1:Right or the only way to go, or the only way Exactly. I'm very interested in hearing about your Sufi practices, and I don't know much about that. I'd like to hear about what that is all about.
Speaker 2:Okay. Well, sufism is a spiritual path. It has to do. I don't know if you know about Rumi, and it's the same as basically what Rumi teaches, but a little bit different. It's about walking the heart to God, so you're essentially bringing your heart into God. Realization, nice, okay, and the whole system is based on surrendering to divine will.
Speaker 1:Wow, I've had to learn that one recently.
Speaker 2:I bet you have.
Speaker 1:It's a found way, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, in Sufism we have practices that directly put you into divine light, divine love, divine will, and once you get there, you open up to the guidance that comes and then you do the work that has to happen. So, let's say, you have somebody with you know, breast cancer is a common one. If you went into the guidance with God, you'd see that most breast cancer is about betrayal of love. Okay, in other words, that something in the woman who has breast cancer, she's either felt betrayed, possibly she's betrayed somebody, but there's a, there's a nature where love got betrayed and that manifests in the breast.
Speaker 2:Interesting, yeah, that fascinating and so not surprising, though necessarily no, because we're, you know, as a culture where we've forgotten about love. You know we're, we don't love anymore. Right, you know. And of course, for women, you know you're not really valued when you're deeply loving. A lot of days it's you're valued for how you look, or you're valued for being a man or how productive you are, but you're not getting valued for your core, which is your nature of compassion and love, which is what women are all about.
Speaker 1:I totally agree, and that makes a lot of sense. So you become aware of the cause of the problem now.
Speaker 2:Exactly. You've got to get to the root. Which the root problems are? Either in the soul you have to get to the soul or they're in the heart Right, and sometimes they're in the emotions, sometimes they're in the psychology. So there's different places. You have to go to find what's the root. Where does it live? And every disease, you know, is connected to a chakra, it's connected to an energy center. So there's clues, you know. If you get a lung cancer or you have something in your lung, you know it's connected to your throat center and so it has to do with expression or creation or some type of. You know it's connected to your throat center and so it has to do with expression or creation or some type of. You know cancer is always about a way that the natural movement of the soul gets subjected to a false reality and gets turned away Right.
Speaker 1:No, I, like I said, I've recently become very aware of what cancer is and isn't, and it turned out it wasn't much of what I thought it was to begin with, and I had my ideas about things. And then you come to experience it and really seek to solve it and you're like whoa, there's a lot going on here that I did not expect and, like you said, it's a lot of internal work. Um, just as much as the. You know what I I always. What I discovered was it's a spiritual healing, but you got to do the work in the physical realm as well it's got to be both you're.
Speaker 2:You know're exactly right. You've got to address it like you did. Maybe allopathically conventional medicine, maybe you do integrative medicine in some way which it sounds like you did. You did the herb?
Speaker 1:Absolutely yeah, we used a little bit of everything, yep.
Speaker 2:That's the best way to go about it every time, but at the core of it, if you don't get to the spiritual roots it's going to, it would come back.
Speaker 1:A hundred percent. A hundred percent. And I'm kind of curious. I like to hear the stories that you know. We've had some amazing guests that all come from these different places and we all find ourselves on this path of, of, of healing and and wellness. And how did you find this Sufism? Is it something that you learned at a young age or did you discover it later on in life? How did you find your way to this?
Speaker 2:Well, it's a long story, but I was always a healer. But, um, when I was in medical school, they had a. A girl came in. She was 17. She was dying of acute hepatitis and I had her in the ICU and, uh, she was running. You know, she was unconscious, she was in coma, but her, she was running. You could see her legs constantly running. Wow. So I was like what is she running from? I couldn't quite figure it out.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I was watching her the first 10, 15 minutes just kind of watching her run in the bed. And then, um, I decided to put my stethoscope, you know, to examine her, and I put the stethoscope and literally something jumped out of. It was like, oh, I mean it was.
Speaker 2:I mean I had my eyes closed, but it was like a black lightning bolt, wow it went into my hand holding the stethoscope and then it was like ice cold and it went up my arm and I almost passed out. It was so and I realized that, you know, there were like hidden things like this wasn't Right. There is a spiritual realm and incredibly powerful, I mean, you know. So we tried to heal her. You know she was in Chicago and we talked to, you know, university of Chicago, rush and University of Illinois. We're all trying to figure out how to heal her and nobody could figure it out. So you know, we gave her this back in 1983, we're giving her, you know, large doses of cortisone and, you know, whatever antivirals we had at the time, which were almost nothing and she was dying.
Speaker 2:So around that time, all of a sudden the head of medicine was contacted by the Jewish community in Chicago and they said that the, that this girl was part of a Jewish school, that they had had like five deaths of of weird diseases in the school that year, and then everything happened and they were concerned, like was you know what was going on. So they asked the, they called to uh Jerusalem, they spoke to the head, uh Svartic, uh rabbi, he went into the Talmud and they found this ancient uh remedy, 3000 years old, for healing hepatitis, ancient remedy 3,000 years old for healing hepatitis. So the next day the chief of medicine allowed it to happen, in comes about 20 Orthodox rabbis and they're carrying a box and in the box there were about 30 or 40 doves, really yeah, and they brought it into the ICU, which was a big deal. Were about 30 or 40 doves, really yeah? And they brought it into the ICU, which was a big deal.
Speaker 2:And you know the other doctors were going crazy, because anybody that gets sick from the animals, the birds. But anyways, they brought it in, they did some work with the dove that cleared some feathers and then they placed it on the belly button of the girl with the hepatitis and exactly what happened to me, that black lightning bolt shot out. Wow, dove. The dove screamed and fell over dead. Wow. So they went through 18 doves, each one taking longer and longer and longer to die as it pulled out this blackness from the girl. And in the meantime the nurse was adjusting the levophed.
Speaker 2:Levophed is a presser agent, pushes the blood pressure up okay because she, when she came in, when they started, they had 50 over zero, meaning they couldn't find the diastolic. Wow, and she and should be 120 over 80. She was 50 over, so she was barely perfusing her body. She was close to death, wow, and that was on full dose levophed. By the time, 18 doves later, they had discontinued all the levophed, all the vital signs had come back to normal. Wow, all the blackness was outside of her body and she was recovering.
Speaker 2:She actually started to recover, she was coming out of it and, unfortunately, at that time there was a mutiny in the hospital and all the doctors got in the cafeteria and they got together and they said we have to stop this. This is bad. It's against traditional medicine. People are going to get psittacosis from the doves. And they came up they didn't have shotguns, but they should have. And they came up like a lynch party and they threw the orthodox rabbis out. Wow, and they just nailed the chief of medicine who was in tears. He was 80 years old, but he was in tears because he was trying to save her. Yeah, uh, she ended up dying, uh, like a day or so later. Oh, so it was. It was a shame, but, but all of the whatever that evil was because it really was it was gone wow, wow, that's what a story.
Speaker 1:I mean that's and and yet I can, I could see what you're describing happening and it's, it's something that I could, I, you took me to that place, I could, I could, I could, I could feel it. And you just got to wonder what if they had not done that? What if they had not? You know, yeah, would she have recovered and that was always my question in my own heart if we had?
Speaker 2:just just you know, would she have recovered that was always my question in my own heart if we had just given her a little more time, Right?
Speaker 1:Especially considering that she was already. She had gone from a place of no return almost, and she was already recovering without the aid of this drug that's propping her blood pressure up, exactly, exactly. That's unbelievable, wow, so we share a lot of that. I believe I've had a similar not similar in the description of it, but I've dealt with many spiritual experiences that would defy people's logic and and you know it's, it's you come to realize that everything's happening on that place and the physical world kind of manifests what's really happening. It's almost a reflection of what's really going on.
Speaker 2:It's not almost. I mean the physical world is, in my understanding is, a condensation of the spiritual reality. So you know, what's happening up there is being kind of condensed and precipitated down here.
Speaker 1:Right. No, I totally agree.
Speaker 2:Right, so I totally agree. So you have a practice today, and when somebody comes to you, what is the scope of your practice? Well, I founded a university excuse me and mostly what I'm doing is teaching people to heal now, so I'm not doing so much practice anymore. Okay, but when people come, when I see, you know maybe five, ten people a week.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:What I do is I review all their medical records. Once I know essentially what the medical issues are and I like to have you know. I like a CT scan, I like labs. I like to know what's going on. Yeah, yeah, and I like to have you know.
Speaker 1:I like a CT scan.
Speaker 2:I like labs, I like to know what's going on yeah?
Speaker 2:And then I go into the energy body. I look at the etheric body, I look at the energy body, the aura, to see what are the energetic patternings that are going on, that are in the energy field, that cause the precipitation into the body. Okay, and then once I kind of have that down, then I put myself into the presence of God and in prayer ask the most high to give me a way through. Like, how do I get through whatever is there in the energy field of the body? And usually at that point there's light that starts to come in as guidance. So I start to follow that light and usually that's a deeper level of diagnosis. So I'll end up in the person's soul.
Speaker 2:I'll be looking at the qualities of the soul, such as mercy and compassion and love. Look at what you know, what might be blocking it, like, let's say it was breast cancer. So I might end up in the soul. I would be looking at the quality of El Wadud, which is a quality of divine love, and then I'll see where the quality has been thwarted or twisted or turned in the soul, blocking it. And then, once that's clear, where it lives, then we start the process of trying to transmute the memories or the belief systems or the images or experiences that caused the soul to reflect light of God in the wrong way. Okay, okay, once we can clear it and then the reflection of the divinity begins to manifest in the soul. Usually that is enough in many cases just to get the healing. Once that happens, we start to see the healing.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 2:And in cancer it's a little bit more because it's deeper and it's you know, the cancer is stronger. So you don't just often get it one time, you have to usually take more time and then, once we work it out, we kind of take it down to the heart. Or we can go the other way, we can also start from the body and work it up to the divine. But maybe an example would be good. So a woman came in to me. She had congestive heart failure and she was uh end stage. Her ejection fraction was about 28. Normal is uh 40 to 60. Uh 25 is usually the the door of they hit 25, they're out. She was on full drugs, you know from the allopathic, to change it but it wasn't working.
Speaker 2:And she came in for a personal retreat with me, which was a four-day course and the first thing I did is I looked at the field and around her heart she had, you know, just a massive black light that was sitting in her heart. Wow, and you know. And then when I went to the soul, the soul was, can you imagine, taking like a piece of bamboo and running a knife over it? So it's like broken into layers. That was what the soul looked like, like the soul was fractionating like that. Wow. So what we started to, we started to, you know, I said to her, why are you sick? And she said well, I was in a retreat in New Mexico. Um, I thought it was going to help me, it was a retreat to get me to God, but I was in a little casita and underneath the casita there was swamp. You know, it was like a septic tank and there were swamp gases that came up and they caused me to have congestive heart failure. I was, I got swamp gas poisoning.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, it sounds odd, but not pleasant Not pleasant.
Speaker 2:So if you're building casitas on your property, do not put any.
Speaker 1:No, I know where the septic tank is. We're not going to go anywhere near it. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Good. But when we looked deep I was like you know, she's talking about the septic, but that wasn't the black light in her heart. So I said OK, let's go into that. And we went into it and with the light of God, with the light of God, and what she saw was that, um, she was enraged because she, this, was a religious I won't say what denomination, but she went into a religious retreat to find God and the, the uh, the leader of the community, molested her. Oh, geez, Okay. So she was dealing with Deepest betrayal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, deep betrayal. And also she was probably late 50s, so this was kind of her chance to get to know God. And so here she went, to this supposed place and instead of finding what she wanted, she ran into the molestation and, emotionally, the anger and the betrayal and she just that was the blackness in her heart. Yeah, okay, so we were able to get that out. We got that out for a second day we removed it, but then we went deeper. We went into the soul, and in the soul what we found was that she didn't trust God. She felt betrayed by God and it's her own way she had betrayed God, right, and so the molestation was actually like a precipitation of the own issues of betrayal that were inside of her Wow, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1:And that's difficult. The problem itself is difficult, but realizing what caused it must have been even more difficult.
Speaker 2:Anger at God. She didn't know that she just wanted to come closer to God. She didn't know that she had cut off. When she hit it, she started shaking, she started rocking and yelling and just the whole body went into almost like a seizure. But it wasn't. It was energy releasing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then it broke through and the light just cleared and she connected to God. The light of God came down into her heart, into her soul, and she kind of lit up and she started glowing. Wow, you know, like the last day of the of the event. Well, she went home and about two and a half days later, and I remember, her heart was three times or it was two times the normal size, or almost three times. It was massive. Wow and the failure. And three weeks later she calls me and she says you can't believe this, my heart has returned to normal. My, she calls me and she says you can't believe this, my heart has returned to normal. My ejection fraction is only 40%, and I'm healthy.
Speaker 1:Wow, wow, that is unbelievable.
Speaker 1:Well, we're running low on time, but I have so much more I want to talk to you about, and one of the things is my experience working with people that are healers, which is varied I mean from Native American to South American to, I mean all over the world, all different spiritual paths and we find that it's kind of all the same thing. If you're truly on the path, you're on the path and God is God and you can. You can come up with whatever name or stories you want to, but it doesn't change what is and what I. One of the things that I found in common with many healers is a deep empathy and the ability to connect with people in a in a way that is sometimes even tangible, but that takes a toll on the healer, and so my question to you is I'm assuming you have this empathy because of just the way that you're speaking and that you're connecting with people in a very deep way, but how do you take care of yourself, because you've got to shake all this stuff off after you're done.
Speaker 2:Well, I think that that's the teaching of healers. Like spiritual, healers have to learn how to not take it on, and every system is different. In the Sufi system, we have practices that actually clean your body. Those are certain types of prayers.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 2:And so, for me, I pray five times a day. Huh, and I wash. When I'm done with the prayers, I wash off whatever I've taken from the person.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 2:And that really has worked. And the other thing which I like about symbolism a lot is you know, there's magnetic healing, which is where you're pulling the light off, and there's radiatory, where you're transmitting light. In Sympathism tends to be more radiatory, so by radiating it we're not taking it on so much.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, all right, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, unfortunately it we're not taking it on so much. Okay, all right, that makes sense. Yeah, unfortunately I'm also a magnetic killer, so I do it. So I have to wash it, but but I like the radiatory better you've got the tool to do that.
Speaker 1:I I am going to spend some time studying sufism a little bit and it seems very, you know, Rumi has always resonated the wisdom and the saints, but I never went deeper than that, you know, and I never really, you know, got into it. But I've explored and studied many traditions and many practices and have found value in all of them and many practices and have found value in all of them, and I think that this is going to add another level to my understanding. This is something that I've experienced and most recently I came to a similar kind of a place, in a way, where I was losing a battle and I was losing a battle and I was doing everything I knew to do and I was working with a type of prayer ceremony, working with peyote, and it's a very powerful tool and you know you're praying all night and it's a big deal when you're serious about it, and it helped me to find the answers that I needed and to find the clarity that I needed and in spite of all of that, learning what was going to work, I was still losing and I came up with an answer that I knew would work, but then I was on a timetable and trying to get insurance to cover this and that and all these things, and it was chaotic. And the one thing I've learned and maybe it's just me, but I've had a deep connection with God since I was a young kid. I was raised Catholic and I had this sort of connection in a way that Catholicism really didn't give me and it's gone from there. But, for whatever reason, God has always given me hard work to do and then at the very, very, very, very last second, he comes in and fixes everything, and this no exception.
Speaker 1:And for me it was like I was literally, like my faith was strong, I knew this was going to work. I even saw in one of my experiences, I saw the healing. I was like I've done this, I'm there already, but I had to do the work on the physical level, so my heart was good. I was like I know I've got this, I know I'm on the right path, I know I solved this. And meanwhile this thing's choking me out, it's pushing on my carotid artery. I can't sleep because of the pain and I'm like where are you? You know? And then, literally at the last second of the last, you know, the minute of the last day. All of a sudden I got lifted up. But what is with the last second thing? Is that just me, or has it happened to a lot of people?
Speaker 2:I think it happens to a lot of people because it's about faith.
Speaker 1:Are you going to give up, or how long does your faith last for? Yeah, yeah, Well, I guess I found that out a few times. Well, listen, Ibrahim, I am very tickled about this conversation and I feel like we've just barely scratched the surface. I would certainly love to welcome you back anytime you feel up to it. This actually was a last-minute notice. I got your assistant reached out to me yesterday and here we are today, so I find that serendipitous.
Speaker 1:I think those things don't happen on accident. So, before we wrap up, how does somebody find you? And if somebody wants to engage with your services, how would they find that?
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, first of all, we just purchased some property up in Santa Barbara, oh nice. So we're going to have that available shortly if people want to come up and actually visit us, both for the school and the clinic.
Speaker 1:Wow, I may have to come up and visit you. Yeah, you'd come up, you'd be welcome.
Speaker 2:Go to SufiUniversityorg or you can go to the Institute of Spiritual Healingcom. You can find me at Dr JaffeMD as well, but those are the places you'd look to find us and we do have work for people who are wanting to get to the spiritual side. That's our focus. So if you really want to get to the root, like what's behind your illness, that's our focus. So if you really want to get to the root, like what's behind your illness, what's the soul base, what's the core issue, what's manifesting, why did it come? That's the work that we're really focusing on for people I love it.
Speaker 1:I love it. Well, I, I couldn't be more impressed and again, I I would love to, uh, continue our conversation. Um, again, I'm just, I can't say enough. So, dr Jaffe, it's been an absolute pleasure and this has been another episode of the Healthy Living Podcast. I thank you for all your support and we will see you next time.
