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Reclaiming Your Libido: Conversations with Dr. Diane Mueller
What if the key to better health, stronger relationships, and reduced stress was something most of us are too embarrassed to talk about? Dr. Diane Mueller, sexologist with dual doctorates in naturopathic and oriental medicine, joins us to shatter taboos around sexual wellness and reveal the science behind intimate connection.
When 72% of people want to discuss sexual health with their doctors but feel too intimidated, we're missing crucial conversations about a fundamental aspect of wellbeing. Dr. Mueller explains how the hormones and chemicals released during intimate moments work wonders for our bodies—reducing stress hormones, easing anxiety and depression, and even improving bone density. As she puts it, "Pleasure is not just about desire, but something we require."
Through her personal healing journey and professional expertise, Dr. Mueller illuminates how small, unaddressed issues in relationships create what she calls "pinpoints" in the relationship ship. Each tiny hole might seem insignificant alone, but collectively they can sink even the strongest partnerships. Whether couples struggle with desire mismatches, physical challenges like erectile dysfunction or pelvic pain, or simply the natural evolution of long-term relationships, her approach focuses on practical solutions and open communication.
One particularly powerful insight challenges our cultural obsession with spontaneity. Remember how during early dating, we actually scheduled intimacy through carefully planned dates? Dr. Mueller explains that intentionally making time for connection allows partners to mentally prepare, build anticipation, and fully show up for each other. Rather than making intimacy routine, scheduling creates space for the focus and presence that passionate connection requires.
Ready to transform your relationship and boost your health through better understanding of sexual wellness? Visit libidoquiz.com to identify potential physical causes affecting your intimate life or download Dr. Mueller's free ebook at hotterlife.com. Subscribe now to continue receiving insights that enhance every aspect of your wellbeing!
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Well, hello and welcome back to the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, joe Grumbine, and today we've got a very special guest. Her name's Dr Diane Mueller and we're going to enter into some new territory. I'm kind of excited. Diane has got a wealth of experience here and she is a sexologist. She's got dual doctorates in naturopathic medicine, acupuncture, oriental medicine. She's got a podcast, the Libido Lounge, and we're going to talk about sexual health, empowering individuals and couples and what a great topic. Welcome to the show. How are you doing today?
Speaker 2:Hi Joe, thanks for having me. It is a really fun topic we're talking about today and, I think, a really needed topic too, like, for example, like some surveys have shown, that 72% of people want to talk to their doctor about sex and yet they don't because they feel intimidated about it. So I think it's a really cool conversation. I think we're going to help a lot of people today.
Speaker 1:I think it's funny because it's a thing that many people probably most people spend a lot of time thinking about and desiring and fantasizing and all these things, and yet only a small slice of people are willing to be open and talk about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's exactly right. I think it's like it's such an important part not only of our intimate life, meaning our connection with our partner. You know I often say that couples that play together stay together, because we do see that the people that report the healthiest relationships on average have sex about once a week. So it can be such a huge part, fundamental part of a relationship and we also see that the hormones and the chemicals secreted during sex and during intimacy in general help to do things like lower stress hormone, lower anxiety, lower depression, improve bones even like build bones lower depression improve bones, even like build bones.
Speaker 1:Some of these hormones it's a good workout.
Speaker 2:It's like it's not even that, it's like just even like the chemicals. It's like the workout combined with the chemicals, um, are really that are secreted, are really where the magic is. So I think it's one of these things where it's like goodness, it's like we see all the benefits from this and, like you said, people spend a lot of time thinking about this.
Speaker 2:It's such a normal, natural, healthy part of life and when we put it into this world where it's like, oh, we're going to pretend this isn't a box and we're not going to talk about it, we lose all these benefits that can really help not only the individual heal, but relationships stay strong.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and I think it's kind of indicative of of all relationship issues. A lot of times people just you don't want to deal with things and it's easy just to put it on the shelf and go along like everything's okay and you know, sort of get by. But you know, like you say, the cortisol levels that increase from the stress of all that and you get a little oxytocin in you and you're feeling pretty groovy and it's like you said the brain chemicals, the neurotransmitters, the hormones, all of these things that affect everything about our lives, including the health of our bodies, our cells, everything it's all connected to these chemicals and these practices. So it's fantastic that there are people like you out there talking about it and bringing it out there to life.
Speaker 2:Were you going to ask a question?
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I was going to say I always like to hear from our guests like what brought you to this? You know we have all these wide. You know this is a healthy living podcast, so we go all over the place. You know mind, body, spirit, everything, and generally there's some kind of a story that says, well, this is how I got here. I'm always curious about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have a two-part story for that. Part one is how I got interested in the topic and started studying this, and part two is how I got actually inspired to create more of a business and a brand out of this. So part one was super interesting. This was in my either late teens, early 20s it was like 19 or 20 at the time and I was experiencing vulvar pain and it was very weird. It was like this kind of came on out of nowhere. It would keep me up at night is when it would really start. The pain would start. It was just every night. I didn't experience it much during the day, went to docs, everything was fine, which was good. Like there was no like medical problem that was easily identifiable, right, but it was still like you know, like in some ways, when we don't get a diagnosis, in some ways it's worse, right, because then it's like what the heck is doing this?
Speaker 1:Yeah, is it in my head or is they missing it or what's up, right?
Speaker 2:exactly.
Speaker 2:I was raised really, really strict Catholic where, like you know, the conversations around sex, around self-pleasure, all these things were, even though they're very taboo in society.
Speaker 2:They were extremely taboo in my household and that's relevant to the story because I had a roommate at the time very dear friend of me who was like very open in talking about her self-pleasure practice and like to me it was like whoa, what is happening here?
Speaker 2:But as I'm complaining to her and sharing with her about my pain, one day she hands me a book and she's like I think this book can help you and the book was called Sex for One, which is a very popular book I now, you know, now know by a woman called Betty Dodson, and this book is very interesting because it talks about self-pleasure. But it talks about this not only from a pleasure perspective but from a healing perspective, and she's a lot of people that she's talking about that she has helped in this book and one of the common threads was pain going away and I was like, well, this is really interesting. So one very, very brave night, joe, I decided to try self-pleasure for my first time, like totally scared, totally not knowing if, like I was going to, you know, burst into flames and go to hell it was a very big moment for me.
Speaker 2:The anti-rapture. Yeah, Right, exactly. So in this moment, my pain went away and I could sleep and I was like that's really cool. Next night pain was back. You know, self-pleasure again, pain goes away. This, this went on for several nights and then the pain just went away and never came back. So that was like. That was a like one of those moments. You know, we have those moments sometimes in life as humans that are like those belief shattering moments.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, I've had a few of them, yeah.
Speaker 2:I was one of those where I was like, well, if this is, if this is like a able, if pleasure is able to heal my body, when no doctor had any idea what was going on, and I actually healed myself through pleasure, like how can this be bad?
Speaker 1:Right, exactly, it's a perfect storm.
Speaker 2:Right. So I really started questioning that and that's what started making me like during the years and study relationships and sex all you know sex stuff and Tantra and you know taking a ton of courses and just reading through things. My. My career went a different direction, though. I have a second business working with Lyme and mold and very complicated diseases, as I ended up getting Lyme disease at one point in my life. So that spun me that direction. About four, three, four years ago now. I decided post coming out of a divorce that I was like very interested in, you know, in actually bringing this to the um, to the world, because my partner, who I've been with now for four and a half years, was instrumental in my healing and what I really learned. I was working with a therapist at the time post-divorce and I was like, well, I really can't begin to date anybody and to be serious about anybody until I'm healed.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Right and what this therapist?
Speaker 1:That's actually pretty wise.
Speaker 2:Well, you think that, and that's what I would have thought. But the therapist was super interesting Herpes was super interesting and the advice she gave me was that when it's your healing from something interrelational, the way you actually heal it is interrelational.
Speaker 1:Makes sense actually.
Speaker 2:And it did. And then this partner that I have, my amazing boyfriend, was instrumental in healing. But one of the things that he was really instrumental in so many things he's like the most amazing human and and bazillion different ways. But one of the things that he really started doing is, as I was going through a lot of stress and healing from a lot of, you know, just interrelational trauma that I had housed, giving me immense amount of pleasure, immense amount of orgasms, immense amount of touch and and really just kind of like my beginning stage of things. It was like a reminder around like holy cow, like how much are we suffering in this world as humans by not taking advantage of one of our key ways?
Speaker 2:That, I believe, was God given to heal no accident? Yeah, was God given to heal no accident? Yeah, and and that was, like you know, recovering from that and you know, and really, um, seeing the power of this once again was was kind of the motivation for, like, I got to start speaking out about this. This has to stop being so taboo. I have, you know, two doctorates. I have the medical knowledge, I have all of this angles that I can come from this and keep it professional Right.
Speaker 2:So I was like we got it, we got to talk about this, so that's how I am where I am.
Speaker 1:Well, that's a powerful story. So you're today, you're still working in the research on Lyme and other things like that, so you spend a lot of time obviously doing it, but that's super important work. I know many people who have suffered Lyme and it's debilitating and, frankly, they don't have the answers yet. They've got lots of things that can work for certain people certain, but it's like cancer I'm, I'm, I'm recovering from cancer and everything. There isn't one answer for anybody. You have to everybody's got to find their answer. But there are pillars that can apply across the board to everybody and if you can work with those things to start with, maybe you can create protocols that help a lot of people. So that's really good, powerful work. So you obviously have given yourself a mission that it's important to get this word out, and you've got this podcast that it's important to get this word out and you've got this podcast. How is it that you reach people? Is it all? Is it not anonymously but with a disconnect, or do you deal with people one-on-one as well?
Speaker 2:In the libido world. I do it all through education because I feel like the biggest thing here is really teaching people right.
Speaker 2:So I work. So it's usually couples that come in. Now sometimes it'll be, like you know, one individual in the couple. There's a lot of different motivations, like I've seen couples where their biggest struggle is erectile dysfunction and which you know really affects both partners. I've seen it where there's pelvic pain on the woman's side. So sometimes there's these physical root causes hormone imbalances, these sorts of things.
Speaker 2:Oftentimes there's things like just like, like a lot of love and a lot of care, but boredom comes in Desire. Mismatch is a huge one for couples where one partner oftentimes the man, but not always is has a stronger drive, and usually what happens in that scenario is that drive is creating like, like a like a problem for the couple because whoever has that stronger drive is wanting it, and then they feel rejected. But then the person who's like gosh, I love you and I would love to give that to you, but they're struggling between honoring their own body and honoring their own needs but wanting to also show up for their partner. And then one of the biggest things that happens with a lot of this that you kind of mentioned a little while ago is, like, so much of the time, rather than talking about this and like because we don't know how. We don't know how to work through this. It's not been something we've been taught as humans. It gets shoved under the rug and it's just that, that little thing.
Speaker 2:that's like the way some friends of mine, rono and Sierra, who run an organization called Eden World the way they describe it that I've kind of borrowed is it's almost like having a ship and the relationship is a ship. And every time we have these like micro things we don't talk about, it's just like a small little hole, it's just like pinpoint in the ship not a big deal, you can have a few pinpoints, you're not going to sink.
Speaker 1:Don't notice it right away. Yeah, Right.
Speaker 2:But then if you get enough of those pinpoints, then all of a sudden it actually becomes a very devastating thing for the relationship. And so a lot of times I think it's like, oh, that tiny little thing that gets said, or like that rejection over here, like you know, going in for a kiss and like I'm too busy, and getting shoved away, and all those little things that we don't realize. They start to add up. So I basically I help people, you know, patch up those pinpoints by teach, by showing them how to find them, teaching them how to talk about it, and then showing them, like both, how to do the sexy stuff, how to bring in all that that sexy stuff in techniques, novelty, all that amazing. And at libido quizcom, where people can take this quiz to actually figure out what are the root physical causes, because many times it is a physical thing as a component as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a lot in there, for sure.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. And that's where one of the things I wanted to get to you know, as as people get older, a lot of different things happen. You know, it's not just a physical diminishing of hormones and things like that, or a woman going through menopause, but it's also. Life takes its toll on you. Or you get deep into a career path or a passion project that just consumes you, or you get 30 years into a relationship and all the rough edges are rounded off and you're kind of comfortable with each other, but it's not necessarily that sauce that got it going to begin with. So there's all these things that happen as people get older.
Speaker 1:Do you deal with a lot of people that are, you know, maybe over 50 or over 60? That you know it's like you're still healthy, you still want to, you still have an urge, you still. You know it feels good when you do it, but it's not the most important thing anymore, like when you're in your twenties, like that's, that's your drive. You know you're, everything is going to the next, you know, to the next orgasm, and you're just like, okay, you know. And then you get older and older and you're like, yeah, that's nice, but it's not the same sort of impact. Yeah, it's. It's one of these things where it's nice but it's not the same sort of impact.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's one of these things where it's like I feel like to break down the statement. It's not the same sort of impact, I would say that's true, and I think there can be a greater impact than we realize. So I do think we need to break down the idea around. Like you know and I'm not saying you're saying this but I think there's a common belief that, okay, well, sex has to die with age, like we actually see right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that's not what you're saying at all we actually see in that right now that in nursing homes, the STI rate is on the rise. So there's like, like, I have some colleagues that like one of their things is like going into nursing homes and talking to them about safe sex and bringing condoms and all those things.
Speaker 1:I love it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for many people it's like they enter nursing homes after being with you know many times one partner, their you know, largely their whole life, where they weren't thinking about that and now they're like, not you know, they're not thinking about it and they're getting diseases because of their lack of barrier protection, sure, of their lack of barrier protection.
Speaker 2:So you know, so we do know that. But the thing that I think is important to bring light to as well is your apps. I totally agree with you on like, yeah, that drive can change, right, the desire, the chemicals, the, you know, the brain really is our biggest sex hormone and that drive does change. There's no doubt with that. But the thing that I want to add to what you said is like there's still, like, while people early in life might have a bigger motivation around, like okay, if I'm not having sex, I'm going to go out and find it right, there might not be and there might not be that like in earlier stages, it's like, oh my gosh, if I'm not having this, like I've all this, you know, for man, like all this intensity built up in my body and I got to release it and there's like kind of that, that motivation.
Speaker 2:But because we see so much value around what pleasure is doing to heal and what pleasure is doing to keep a relationship strong, my message largely is that, like, even if, like, that drive is not as strong, the importance for living a healthy life you know, being the healthy living podcast, right, like one of the things I'm building a lecture around right now is some of the research around oxytocin to reset dopamine addiction. Sure, right, and I imagine this has come up in your podcast before because it's such a common thing right? It's like our phones, all the devices, all the push notifications. It's crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'm all about that. I have a botanical garden that we use for therapeutic horticulture and a lot of that is just resetting and you know the nature, the nature bath just go outside and, you know, turn it all off and listen to the birds, go and reset yourself a little bit.
Speaker 2:It's good stuff, exactly the digital detox right, Like like actually taking a break from technology. And so, when it comes to the importance of pleasure, like one of the things I often say is pleasure is not just about desire, but something we require. Desire but something we require, and that is because what I see around like, oh, the ability of using pleasure as a way of healing, you know, as a way of healing ourselves, as a way of helping our partner heal, as a way of connection, all that that I do think like, yes, we want to always figure out what the physical root causes are. If there are some hormones, pelvic floor, circulation, neurological right, stress, these common things that can drive that libido down. What the physical root causes are, if there are some hormones, pelvic floor, circulation, neurological right, stress, these common things that can drive that libido down, we do want to see those, but then we also have to work with the biggest sex organ, which is the brain, to say how can we actually be motivated to prioritize this?
Speaker 1:even if it's just once a week. I was going to mention that word. Prioritize. I think you know people get focused on health and they go okay. Well, let's see, I need to get out and work out, I need to eat. Well, I need to sleep. You know the sort of the, you know the ones that everybody goes to, but you know, if you think about, there's other priorities that are maybe equally as important.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, and like an exercise that I do for a lot of people at the start of my work is this is make a values list and in the values list write down all the top values and, kind of like, prioritize them.
Speaker 2:So you know most people have like partner, kids, career, you know kind of at the top, Sure, so that's common right.
Speaker 2:So you just make your values list, prioritize it, you know, in value order, and then you draw a separate thing which is a pie chart, and you make 24 pieces of the pie to represent 24 hours in the day and you're going to, you know, probably write, sleep, hopefully for seven to nine of them like some people less, some people more Right, Right, and into nine of them like some people less, some people more right, and then fill in the rest of the hours, the rest of the pieces of the pie, with what you spend your time on on an average day. And what you're doing is you're comparing your values list to your pie chart. And what's very interesting for people when they do this is oftentimes because of life, because of like they do. This is oftentimes because of life because of like, not just like, not actually prioritizing and not actually putting this, that intention, in that what we value the most, oftentimes our partner is actually not even in the chart on a day-to-day basis, or maybe they get a 15 minute slot right.
Speaker 2:And that's not sustainable. Like, yes, we have to work, we have to take care of the kids, we have to do do all the things, but if we don't have some days where it's chunk left over, that that you have expendable time, and I think a lot of people spend it scrolling on their phones or doing stupid crap.
Speaker 1:That doesn't give you anything back exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2:So. It's really like one of the first things I find is like awareness and with that, that, once, like you, like people, have that aha moment around, like, wow, I say this is what I value the most, but my actions don't match it, right, that can be a huge aha moment to say, oh, wow, I really do value this relationship and now I need to make sure that that relationship has a piece in my day-to-day pie.
Speaker 1:Nice. So I always kind of. As you know, I was born in the 60s and I lived in a totally different world than you grew up in. It's, you know there were no computers. We had interactions that were just what you did, right, you know you spent time with people. You worked things out. You got in a fight, you figured you did. Right, you know you spent time with people, you, you, you work things out. You got in a fight. You you figured it out, right, you didn't.
Speaker 1:You know there wasn't this sort of virtual lives that we live today and there was also not the information that there was today. So things you know, like porno and fantasy things, they were taboo. You know there was little theaters on the seedy corners but, you know, in a magazine, here and there, but there wasn't like today, it's everywhere, it's everything, it's, it's the, the. The moral boundaries have been blurred to a point where it doesn't matter how you were raised. You could be Amish or you could be, you know, a Satanist, and it really you're going to get exposed to the same stuff. And you know sex is everywhere, the you know, in music, in advertising, the Internet's just riddled with it. You can't do a search on anything without some porno site coming up, unless you really try to avoid it. I got to think that that has some kind of an impact on the dynamic of people today. What's your thoughts?
Speaker 2:I mean, there's two things I would say about that. First of all, before I jump into that, absolutely, you're absolutely right, it impacts the dynamics. And then, more specifically, what's crazy is how easy it is to access those things. And then, for people like me that are really, you know, really talking about a healthy sex life and really preaching, how can we do this in a way that is like ethical and loving and and really looking at this from like the health side of things? It's very, very hard for me to advertise, and my colleagues, that I talk about the same thing.
Speaker 2:So it's like there's this disconnect in what we're being shown around. We get shown, you know, porn sites and all these things, and that's a different conversation for when it's healthy, when it's not which way I will have a comment on in a moment but we're shown all those things and then we're not shown, I feel like, the equal amount of like how do we utilize this to make relationships better and how do we utilize this to make relationships thrive? And there's like that side of things that's still hidden. So we're not being shown both sides of the coin, the other big thing to comment on with the ease of access to some of this, as I think the biggest detriment that we with things like the porn industry is that people do not easily disassociate like unassociate, uncouple it with from reality. So like the example I give sometimes is that we're not going to watch like a DC movie and think that, oh, just because we see Superman, we can fly.
Speaker 1:Right, we automatically realize that that's fiction and it's entertaining and it's fun. You can get lost in it for a while.
Speaker 2:And the brain differentiates that very easily fiction from reality. But when it comes to porn, which is fantasy, it's fiction, it's entertainment, it's not reality. The brain, unfortunately, doesn't do that. And you know so many people are thinking that their sex lives needs, you know, should be looking like that, that that is like how a woman responds, that that is how a man should approach a woman, that that is how they should be together, of what passion tends to look like on either side of the occasion. And so it's like I think people in relationships it's so easy to compare themselves to like this perfect ideal, you know and air quotes for those that are listening that never is gonna exist, because it's truly more of fantasy and entertainment than reality. And I think that's one of the biggest detriments that the industry has to people. If it can be looked at as like fantasy, that's one of the biggest detriments that the industry has to people. If it can be looked at as like fantasy, that's a totally different thing, but that's how it needs to be approached.
Speaker 1:That makes sense. That makes good sense. You're a published author. Why don't you tell us a little bit about your work?
Speaker 2:Yeah, a few different things. So I have one of my best-selling books is it's Not in your Mind? That's my book about Lyme and mold and chronic illness. I have a e-book that people can actually get for free on the five best ways to enhance orgasms and romance. You can get that at hotterlifecom. That's a really cool book. And then I'm working on a three-part series on libido and love and the first part will be released in late this year. That is called Want to Want it and so, yeah, if you go and you download my free book at hotterlifecom, I'll definitely let people know when the free one comes out.
Speaker 2:But really a lot of my work and that's coming out in this three-part series is looking at the physical reasons for low libido. So again, at libidoquizcom you can find those as well, but I'll go through that in the book. The second book is looking at the personal reasons for low libido. So this is where it comes to, like body image and shame and how do we feel about sex and do we even know our own body? Can we even tell our partner like, hey, these are my turn-ons, can we name it? And then the third book is looking at the interpersonal, which is how do we actually show up with our partner? Are we prioritizing it? How do we communicate, giving tools for better communication around it and those sorts of things? So, yeah, all of that to come.
Speaker 1:It's a broad body of work. I guess we're running to the end of things, but I always like to hear, like if you had one piece of advice for everybody, what do you think it would be?
Speaker 2:For everybody in the libido world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the biggest thing I would say in long-term relationships is the importance of scheduling it and making it. You know that priority and we talked about the priority, so it's anything more there. But it's interesting in the conversation around scheduling intimacy because so many people are like, well, I want this to be a spontaneous. It should be spontaneous and here's what I have to say to that when we start dating, we like in the beginning, when everything is that new relationship, energy and there's all that passion and that hotness and all that and there's also not all the other stuff.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:You know, you barely know each other, so you have fewer things in common, you have fewer shared experiences. You have fewer problems. You have fewer.
Speaker 2:Everything Correct and here's the other thing with that is that we scheduled it back then and that's why people don't realize it. It's like you have your date night and you're like when do you start you?
Speaker 1:know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what's going to happen and you like put on your special clothes and maybe your special panties and your special boxers, and you, you know, you put on your cologne and your perfume and you look, you do all the things. Actually had a plan of this is where this is probably going, and it's only when we move in together and we combine our lives we share keys, we share kids, we share expenses, we share so many things that all of a sudden we think we don't have to schedule it. But when you schedule it, what it does is it makes it a priority and you can have, still have tons of spontaneous you know times too. It's not like it's not like it's at the expense of the spontaneity, but what it does is it helps to like get you back into some of that like like dating state where it's like, oh yeah, we have a date we're going to like, we're going to actually have this as part of our, our intimate night. So I'm going to clear my schedule, I'm going to get my mind right, I'm going to drop whatever by circling around in my mind that I have to solve and I'm going to actually give this time to fully show up to my partner.
Speaker 2:It can do wonders. And there's nothing else in life that if you practice over and over and over again, it would get worse. So practice something over and over again, it should get better. And if you need help.
Speaker 2:let me know I can help you.
Speaker 1:I love it. I love it. Well, I think not only that, but there's the anticipation of something when you, when you know something's coming that's going to be good, you look forward to it and you get extra, extra brain chemicals, you know.
Speaker 2:Exactly. It gives you something to flirt about. It gives you something to think about. You know exactly. It gives you something to flirt about. It gives you something to think about. There's so many different ways you can use this to fuel more passion. It doesn't have to be boring.
Speaker 1:And in fact I find it to be anything but Absolutely Well. This has been a riveting conversation and I know you've already thrown out some website stuff, but I know if probably a bunch of listeners are going to want to say, hey, I want to, I want to learn more, I want to maybe reach out. So how would they get ahold of you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, really the easiest thing is to go to libidoquizcom or hotterlifecom to get those two freebies and then, once you go there, you'll see how to contact me and all that and super easy and just reach out and we'll put you in touch with any of our our work. That would be supportive.
Speaker 1:Fantastic. Well, diane, it's been a pleasure with this conversation and I think the listeners are going to find it fascinating, and thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2:Thank you Joe, thank you everybody.
Speaker 1:Excellent. This has been another edition of the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grumbine. We thank you for your support and we will see you next time.
