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Cultivating Healing: From Local Herbs to Eastern Medicine with Vee Martinez, part 2
Discover the powerful potential of locally grown medicinal herbs and traditional Eastern healing practices in this enlightening conversation with practitioner Vee Martinez.
As environmental changes and global supply challenges make importing traditional Chinese herbs increasingly difficult, we explore how plants grown in our own backyards might offer even greater healing benefits. Vanessa shares her expertise on why locally adapted plants develop unique compounds specifically suited to people living in the same environment, creating what she calls a "symphony of compounds" that work together in ways pharmaceuticals simply cannot.
The conversation takes us through experimental garden techniques being implemented at Gardens of Hope, where innovative approaches like hugelkultur create water-retentive, nutrient-rich growing environments for medicinal plants. We learn why food forests and purposeful plantings make more sense than ornamental landscaping, especially in water-challenged regions like Southern California.
Vee then offers practical wisdom about acupressure techniques anyone can use at home, including specific pressure points on the palm that can dramatically reduce menstrual pain. She demystifies how acupuncture works, explaining what patients can expect during treatment and how to recognize when points are being stimulated correctly. We also explore bioelectric massage—an innovative therapy that creates a closed energy loop between the practitioner and patient, facilitating deep cellular regeneration.
Whether you're curious about growing your own medicinal herbs, interested in natural pain relief techniques, or simply fascinated by the intersection of Eastern and Western healing approaches, this episode offers accessible insights that might transform your approach to health. Connect with Vee through Instagram @TheVibeRevive to learn more about incorporating these powerful modalities into your wellness journey.
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Different soil, things like that and the species might be slightly different, but there's a lack of research there as to what we can grow locally.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:And what that benefits, because, honestly, since we live here, it is possible that we can benefit even more from that local source.
Speaker 1:And our region here.
Speaker 2:And it's getting harder and harder to bring herbs in from China that are actually unsulfated.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:Or untreated.
Speaker 1:And it's going to get, gonna get harder, and it's just gonna keep getting especially, as you know, the environment keeps changing and the temperature's everywhere.
Speaker 2:So I think being adaptable and being like, okay, this isn't the right, exact species that they used traditionally. But how can we grow from this and where? Where can we still heal?
Speaker 1:I agreed and you know the truth is herbs are so complex that it's not like a single molecule drug where you can study this one drug and how its systems are what it does. And every single herb is a symphony of compounds and they're complex and generally you don't just take one, you generally combine things. So you have this Herbal herb is a symphony of compounds and their complex and generally you don't just take one, you generally combine things, so you have this entourage effect of so many pieces.
Speaker 2:Even within the same species. Exactly One grows here, one grows there. And it's going to release different secondary metabolites. Always it's notable and it's going to grow bigger or smaller because it's adapting.
Speaker 1:And in each person it's going to react differently to their own environment, and so so much of holistic healing and and natural modalities are are intuitive and, and you know, based on practice and it's not such an exact science as a whole science. And you know, you learn techniques and you learn to observe and you learn to notice when things are doing this, that that's what's happening and you can adapt and adjust and you learn. You know the ideas, the concepts, the categories of things. You know you've got these brackets of types of things and types of systems and all that, but really when it comes down to like the specifics in a molecular level, it's so complicated you really can't honestly put your finger down on this stuff you can, it just costs a lot of money a lot of money research, clinical research, as well as like trials and all of it I mean people want to get paid for this because there's either students or graduates, and it's just not easy to come by exactly without the time and money, and so I don't know.
Speaker 2:I feel like there is room for potentially like ngo grants in this aspect I think there totally is as far as like funding research to find out these small differences between things that have already been researched.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:And things that we can change to make it better, because we're growing it locally or because we're using less water, less resources.
Speaker 1:So many different variables you can kind of tweak a little bit.
Speaker 1:That's a big thing of Gardens of hope is, it's a series of experimental gardens and you know, there's all these permaculture techniques and and and claims and this and that I says well, you know, there's also so many different regions and so many different microclimates and so many different ways that it could be different.
Speaker 1:So you over in LA, well, you've got a whole different way that the sun and the wind and the moisture and all of the elements affect you, and even the traffic and the smog and the radiant heat coming off of the buildings. And then I'm over here and I've got the desert wind coming out. I've got, you know, no buildings around here, so we got different factors that affect only 40 miles apart. But yet we're two different worlds and so we could grow the same exact plants in your bed, in my bed, and water them even with the same water, and watch them, and they would be different and, and so that's important to uh be able to observe. And you know, for me I really think that these experiments are so important and you know, we we do have experiments, everything from electroculture to you know, different, different composting techniques to you know, we have a hugelkultur back there. We have Hugelkultur.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, what is this?
Speaker 1:A hugelkultur. That's that mound garden behind the greenhouse back there Okay. And it's basically an Eastern European system where you take a big old pile of old wood and you stack it up and then you start layering soil and compost over the top of it oh, I remember it's where you have growing, uh, some lettuce, yeah, a bunch of vegetables there's those, those, uh, those trellis hoops.
Speaker 1:Okay, so the theory is to like just kind of build compost layers on itself yeah, well, you have the wood inside of it and the wood is basically a big water battery and wood over time will break down and leave carbon and phosphorus and potassium. For the most part it doesn't let a lot of nitrogen go, but all the other composting elements bring your nitrogen out and so a big part of it is it just holds water. Wood gets soft and spongy and it becomes a sponge and out here in Southern California water is everything and so what happens is the roots start going down into it and they tap into it and they go down pretty deep because it's all nice and rich and soft. And all of a sudden you take that same vegetables and plant them outside the fence in the native soil and give them the same water as I do on the hugelkultur 10 feet away, and the hugelkultur will thrive because it's got nutrients, it holds the water, it creates a microbiome underneath the soil with mycorrhizae and all the animals that allow the nutrients to transfer into the roots and you have this biodynamic system that works and I demonstrate it.
Speaker 1:I plant vegetables all over the place. I don't know if you noticed, we call it a food forest. So if you're looking around, walking along the stream you see broccoli plants and kale plants.
Speaker 2:I did kind of notice that it was like kind of randomly just sitting there Just sort of over there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that must have just you know, popped its way over here, but you, we plant them and then eventually we let them go to seed, okay, and eventually they start to sprout, and then they become naturalized. And then we grow microgreens and if we don't harvest them, you know, when they just have their cotyledon leaves on them, they become a plant and you can still eat them, but they become just, you know, young plants rather than microgreens. Usually I'll just take them and plant them, I just scatter them along the stream or I'll put them in pots. You're wild, they let them go wild, so that's my goal Cool.
Speaker 1:Plus, we have fruit trees all around, a bunch of little citrus trees, and my goal is that everywhere you walk, you can reach and grab something to eat.
Speaker 2:I like that.
Speaker 1:Why couldn't it be that way, right yeah?
Speaker 2:I like that and landscaping.
Speaker 1:you know what is that? It's just plants. Well, there's herbs that are pretty and there's food that's pretty. You can have ornamentals too, but really, why not have plants that serve a purpose, Definitely If you're going to put water and time and energy into it. Yeah, I agree with that that's.
Speaker 2:a big part of this is we're we're integrating, you know, just sort of a classic southern california garden into a useful garden yeah and and you're uh helping me brainstorm right now as far as like uh workshops that I can host so not only you know do I envision a place where I can host a workshop to do a self-massage with very minimal tools or, you know, completely reduce the pain of of your cycle by just some simple points on your hands nice so like acupressure, but then also teaching people that you know soil is the source of your food you bet it just sounds so simple, but a lot of people just don't make the connection and we have literally 30 years of composting here.
Speaker 1:So when we moved here, I've never taken a leaf or a branch out of this property yeah, that's beautiful, and so everything why not just give it back to the same?
Speaker 1:exactly. So I got this giant composting operation over in the corner. We've had worm farm here, we've done all kinds of stuff, but literally we mix the soil together from compost, sand from the creek and a little perlite and mix it all together and we have this beautiful potting mix blend and everything grows beautifully in it. Acupressure let's talk about that a little bit. Why don't you explain what that is?
Speaker 2:Acupressure is when you apply pressure to a point that's already been defined as part of the meridian system, and combining different points would result in a different outcome, obviously a different outcome, obviously.
Speaker 1:And so this meridian system, I the way I understand it, it's like a kind of like the nervous system, in the sense of it's like lines where energy flows yes, but I don't associate it to the nervous system at all.
Speaker 2:I kind of the more I learn about it, the more fascinated I am by it and I mean with 3 years of knowledge.
Speaker 1:I know about this and I know even less yeah.
Speaker 2:And so what I find fascinating is how points work together Right. So a point here at my leg can work really well with a point at my hand, and so not only can acupressure trigger both those points, but you penetrate deeply, trying to heal a certain something that you can do at home. So teaching people how to associate certain things to symptoms and ailments is, I think, huge for something that you can do at home. Most people, you know, you go to your practitioner and you expect them to do all the work.
Speaker 2:They're gonna do this for you, which I honestly actively try to let people know like you're doing the work yeah, they're like come back, like thanking me up and down and I'm like it was your body yeah let's try to give the props back to the patient yeah and then also let them know what they're doing at home is going to go further than what I'm doing at the clinic as far as eating, as far as the exercises I have you do whatever that is, as far as if I put your seeds on your ear. Are you applying pressure for three days?
Speaker 2:to where it hurts, just like when I apply the seed. All that's going to go further and that's on your time. And so acupressure I mean honestly one simple one. I can tell you now that is one of my favorites. I definitely have cycle pain during my first day of my cycle Okay, and it's something I've actively worked on since learning about the medicine. It's progressively gotten better.
Speaker 1:Okay, if.
Speaker 2:I'm taking my herbs. It's exponentially better when I'm not. I can still go back to the old tendencies and my body will still be way more in pain than it would have been if I would have been consistent with my herbs, but I do like to take breaks for different reasons from herbs and whatnot. But in general, there's two points here, at the base of the palm of your hand, and it's said that this is each side of your ovaries.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:And so if people, you know, if you find yourself you do have cramping during pre-cramping or during your cycle or after your cycle, you could try this. I'm not saying it's going to work 100% of the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:You apply pressure for 20 to 25 minutes on both of these points and it's hard to see on the radio.
Speaker 1:Right right, right right. But basically, if you're holding your palm out, you have a line that runs straight down the middle, the middle, yeah, and you're on either side of that line.
Speaker 2:It's on both sides, right above that wrist crease.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so you'll find a tender point there, and it'll be way more tender. You know, right now it's actually a little tender on me, but it'll be way more tender when I'm on my cycle, to the point where it's like, ah, it hurts my hand, wait a minute, my ovaries don't hurt, ah, interesting. And so, yeah, you, you can grab you know a pen or just like a key just like this. Yeah, anything that'll help you apply more pressure with less effort okay it would be a little leverage just because, yeah, there's more leverage.
Speaker 2:You can do it while you're watching tv mindlessly. You're not like straining yourself right right uh, they sell dedicated tools for this on, you know, and uh, they're called I think they're called just acupressure pen or okay, they have like a blunt tip sometimes it's like thinner than than other tests, like it'll be a thinner tip and then on the other side it'll be a thinner tip and then on the other side it'll be a more blunt, thicker tip.
Speaker 2:Nice, and I always advise 25 to 30 minutes of pure pressure holding. That would be, like you know, close to equivalent of, you know, half the time of an actual needle being inside of there.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay. Yeah, oh, okay, yeah so acupressure and acupuncture work off of similar principles as far as these meridians and these points and what they affect, but one is actually puncturing the skin and Penetrating deeper really Right, right.
Speaker 2:Kind of in an easier way, because you get to just lay there. Yeah, yeah, yeah and then the other one you don't have a needle, which there's a lot of people out there afraid of needles.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:But even to them I would say balance out the ailment that you have and see if it weighs out to your fear of needles.
Speaker 1:Right and it's funny to me Seems like it's a lot of effort and a lot of time pushing on this thing.
Speaker 2:It takes double, triple the time to penetrate sometimes depending on the technique.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. And the person doing it.
Speaker 2:If there's someone dedicated to acupressure and they know what they're doing, yeah, you know they can energetically actually press these points and achieve good results. Um, but you know you, for you to do it yourself, it's, I'm not gonna say you won't get as deep you possibly can, but just go to your acupuncturist right, right, right.
Speaker 1:Exactly a good acupuncturist.
Speaker 2:You don't feel those needles at all there are certain points in your body that it's almost inevitable that you're gonna feel a tingle. But any point that tingles should not stay tingling the whole time right that that means they hit, hit a nerve yeah, it happens a lot with practitioners and I think, uh, this point pc6 right at your wrist there's a lot of nerves here. If you don't get it just right, it hurts the nerve right away and it's like ow.
Speaker 2:And you want to check out in with the patient and be like, hey, did that little pain go away. They're like no, it kind of just still lingers. They didn't get the point right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so you either want to take it out and maybe try it the next time or the other hand, or distract them or make them think you know you're not going to put it in and then just maybe not do it till the next time.
Speaker 2:But that means that you hit a nerve and you know it shouldn't, it shouldn't hurt, so and the crazy thing is that sometimes you'll, you know, be done with your sudden needles person was absolutely fine, didn't complain about any of them. And then you know, you come back and come back and you're getting feedback from them, whether you asked or you didn't.
Speaker 1:I usually don't.
Speaker 2:but they say you know it's crazy. I felt this point on my leg, on the lateral side. They described this point in their body and I let them know there's absolutely no needle there.
Speaker 2:And then I'm like you can watch me, I'm going to take all the needles out and then you can look at that point and you can let me know if there's a needle there and they'll be like, oh, there was no needle there. Or sometimes there was a needle there, but they didn't feel it until halfway through the treatment and so that's, I don't know. One of the beautiful things I think about this medicine is how you can energetically feel that in different ways.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So what do you think causes like I mean, it seems almost like a phantom experience. I mean, what, what, what would cause you to feel something that didn't happen?
Speaker 2:A lot of things. So I think there's so much happening inside of your body when you have different combinations of needles that it's gonna direct the energy where it needs to. And so that's my theory. I don't know if that's backed by anything, but I feel like there was attention needed in that area and so you felt a sensation there where you know I've I've actually never asked. Maybe next time I'll ask like, was that point ever numb or did you have some type of ailment?
Speaker 1:in that area.
Speaker 2:Is there scar tissue there? Like any one of these things could be the reason why you're energetically directed to there, or maybe even deeper. Is it like on a meridian level, where that part of your leg is actually attached to the shoulder?
Speaker 1:I was going to say they stick a needle in your foot to help your head yeah. So clearly you're connected on that level. So it would actually make sense that you could feel a thing or not feel a thing when it was stimulated by this other thing, as long as they're connected in some way my favorite is when you get a twitch or, like the person states, they felt immediate heat or cold.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay point and there's a thing called dasha um d e q. I probably saying that very wrong but, um, it's the arrival of Chi at that point.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And it's fun to like actually see that happen, when, when you do, it's actually you put the needle in and then there's a, there's a Twitch or like you put the needle in and you're kind of going a little deeper and then you get the Twitch and you're like, okay, stop there. That is the good point for that spot. Cause you just that spot? Because you just they describe it as the arrival of cheat.
Speaker 1:To that point there's a good sign that you've got the point exactly where it's supposed to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it sounds like that's a. That's quite an affirmation. I know some people when they do reiki they can feel, get warmth and things like that yeah similar thing. Yeah, yeah, it's. Uh, it's interesting. So I know you were telling me that you do this energetic massage. Tell me about that.
Speaker 2:So it's not so much energetic. The way Reiki is, where you know the hands kind of hover over the body and then you feel the energy of the person. It's energetic in the sense that it's plugged into the wall.
Speaker 1:Right, right, this is actual energy, this is electricity, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's very similar to a tense unit that the chiropractors use.
Speaker 1:Where it's like tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, yeah, or like E-stem machines.
Speaker 2:They do that with the acupuncture sometimes, yeah acupuncture you do the E-stem on the tip of the needle.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But it's through my hands.
Speaker 1:So it's called.
Speaker 2:DDS or direct detoxifying system. It's also called bioelectric massage and it's a closed loop between the patient and I. The patient has two patches at their hips, or their pelvis or back, depending on what we're working on okay and then the energetic current for me is below my feet, and then there's a wet towel applied above the pad on my feet and I'm barefoot.
Speaker 2:And so depending on how much weight I put on the towel, that's how much current output there will be oh, okay, so you can the machine itself is also from zero to nine okay, so you can also change, so you have actually an input of current and then you kind of micro adjust it based on how connected you are to it yeah, and then depending on what part of the body, because, um, I always start the session by what we call opening up the back, which, in theory, you know, the lower dantian is the root of all energy, which is the area below your belly button and above your pubic synthesis.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Makes sense that you know. That's where birth Right, right, that's where all the good stuff happens, right yeah. And so for 15 minutes I basically open up your back and then from there I go to dedicated areas, depending on time, depending on what areas need the work in your body and for the face, I always lower the intensity because I usually work at a nine. The face, forearms and calves are very sensitive.
Speaker 1:And so if I don't lower it, it's a lot of work of me like covering my feet, so I usually lower the intensity to about a six or seven, where it's like putting out less electricity and then I can. I could sit my feet a little more right, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:But what it does is it penetrates deeply to regenerate the cells at a deeper level nice and the way I found out about it is I was recovering from ACL surgery. I had a climbing accident and it just felt heavy. It felt, you know, kind of red and inflamed, and I learned about this bioelectric technique while I was in Chinese medicine school, oh, okay. And so after the first treatment, it was just my leg was way lighter. I stood up and was like, oh, like it doesn't feel heavy at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I was instantly hooked and I was doing it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when something works for you, yeah, it's pretty easy to jump right on in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the person that was doing it on me was looking for students to teach.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 2:And so you know, after a couple of treatments I was like, all right, I got to learn this, it's like hand in hand to what I'm already learning, and he taught me everything he knew, and the rest is history. I'm still practicing it. I definitely don't practice when I'm on my cycle and as far as teaching people, I do think you know there's room for that and I would like to teach people in the future possibly not the project I'm looking to pick up right now but I right but.
Speaker 2:I do know it takes a certain constitution type of person and there would have to be some kind of screening.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And people to know their limits as to how much they can do, because it really does take a lot out of you to be able to Sounds like it would, especially being a conduit. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Flowing current through you. That's a Exactly. It's a big deal. You got to be healthy.
Speaker 2:You got to make sure you're nourished or else. I mean, I don't even want to know what happens. Right, right, right, but I feel like you know that is one of those things that would require a certain constitution type of person.
Speaker 1:Nice. So that's quite a repertoire you have there.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Anything else that you do that. I mean in general.
Speaker 2:I like just working with people's health in general. So I do Gua Sha and Tuina as well, which are more also traditional Chinese medicine abilities.
Speaker 1:So when somebody comes to you, are they coming to you for a specific therapy or are they coming to you as a practitioner?
Speaker 2:Most people come to me as a practitioner and I let them know what I think is best for their body. Okay, so somebody comes and says I have this problem. Yes.
Speaker 1:And then, what can you do? And then you think about it and talk to them and you're like well, and sometimes you know it's like herbs can go the furthest.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and so let's talk again on your next visit or sometimes you know off the bat, I know that they don't qualify for the bioelectric because in that case you can't have any heart condition and you can't have any metal plates in your body. If you do, then you just let me know and then we can avoid that area, but the main thing is any heart condition yeah, yeah, and so if you do, you're automatically out of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no pacemakers. Yeah, exactly no pacemakers at all.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So most people do come and kind of just like are seeking just what's going to be best for them.
Speaker 1:Right right.
Speaker 1:And then we go from like what their ailments are and advising what works for them and hopefully hit the ticket and get them back to health within a couple sessions or a couple months, depending on how long they've been dealing with it, right so is there, um, as you're getting people coming to you for various reasons, I'm sure is there one of these modalities that you tend to lean on more than the others, just simply because it's more appropriate, because of the things people bring to you um, are you saying, do I have kind of a favorite modality?
Speaker 1:just one that you lean to more for some reason or another. I mean, it could just be the people that lately.
Speaker 2:bioelectric definitely just because I feel like there's, it definitely definitely goes very deep and, depending on what we're working on it, just people see almost instant results when they get up on off the table. Of course, I love acupuncture.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I've seen that work pretty quickly as well on myself and other people, and so it's one of my favorite modalities as well. And then, depending on what it is, you know honestly, I have this guy that has like been sleeping on his arm and he is getting tingles, and within one cupping session we went a week without seeing each other. He's like, oh, my arm was great, it didn't start tingling until last night, and so that was like a full week after him dealing with this for at least three, four months.
Speaker 1:A week of relief. What's that worth? Right, yeah, I mean anytime you're suffering pain or lack of mobility and you get relief.
Speaker 2:That's like trust me, that's the world. It's huge. You're like, oh, this is awesome. I can't keep doing that, for sure.
Speaker 1:Awesome. So this is a fantastic introduction. I think that I'm confident we're going to work really well together. We're sort of we're not, sort of we're building a community, and part of what I like to do is, you know, let people know like we're going to have listeners going. Oh, I need to reach her, so tell me about how can people get a hold of you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I am on the World Wide Web. You can email me at Vanessa at TheVibeRevivecom. I'm on Instagram. The handle is TheVibeRevive.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 2:And my website will be up and running soon, hopefully within the next month. The website, as you can imagine, is the vibra vibecom, but it is not up right now. There's literally just stock photo. Okay, or you can sign up for the email list and you are welcome to do so and um, I've got, you know, monthly blogs that I'll be sending out. Um what else?
Speaker 1:well, hopefully soon, you're going to be listed on our Gardens of Hope website. Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. We're building our team of practitioners and partners and sponsors and all these different connections we have with various groups and people and companies.
Speaker 2:This is a beautiful space and I'd love to come back and host some retreat space and collaborate to other people's retreat dreams.
Speaker 1:I love it.
Speaker 2:So if anybody is already in the community and you are going to be out here with Joe hosting space, if you would like a pop-up practitioner. I am pop-up ready.
Speaker 1:I love it.
Speaker 2:So I have my canopy. I actually do pop-ups locally every third Saturday. Lately I've been doing the Queer Mercado at East LA Civic Center.
Speaker 1:Nice, that's actually how you met, I think, cynthia. Yeah, that's how I met Cynthia.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah it's a beautiful space and that's definitely more limited as to what my modalities are.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:But they're still very effective.
Speaker 1:And you find something in common, and it gives you a place to start the conversation.
Speaker 2:And then if anyone's in the area or if you're not and you, I am in Highland Park. Okay so 90042 zip code.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 2:And the exact location is disclosed after booking. I like it, so shoot me an email or DM me on Instagram, and that would be the best way to get a hold of me.
Speaker 1:Perfect, and all the details we're going to put in the description of the show, and you can send me all that stuff and I'll make sure we plug it in Awesome. Well, thank you, v. It's been a pleasure and I look forward to continuing this conversation.
Speaker 2:Pleasure's all mine Thank you.
Speaker 1:This has been another edition of the Healthy Living Podcast. I'm your host, Joe Grumbine, and we'll see you next time.
